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Offline AAllen

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2013, 03:01:21 PM »
National Fire Protection Association

Rod is correct here, and to add:

There's a difference between shipping and storing powder. Shipping comes under DOT regulations and storing is controlled by local jurisdictions.  Most jurisdictions adopt the NFPA standards. NFPA changed a little while ago (2010). Check with your local jurisdiction (typically the Fire Marshall).

    2013 NFPA (actual chapter is 495) allows residential storage for personal use of:

    20-Pounds of Smokeless propellants may be kept if in the original containers. This may be increased to 50-pounds if the containers are stored in 1-inch (nominal) thick wood boxes or cabinets.

Now the NFPA itself is not law but it is the recommended code and like building codes has been adopted by most cities counties etc. that have the authority to adopt such codes, note they may use an older code and a few years ago the storage limit was lower.

If you are storing over 50 pounds of smokeless powder in a wooden storage container (magazine, yes that's what the box is called), or 20 pounds in the containers it came in; you are most likely breaking a local fire ordinance.  Doing a quick look at state law, which itself does not contain anything directly about this, it would appear that the city/county ordinance would be required to have a punishment similar to a Class III Misdemeanor (three months in jail and or a $500 fine, maximum) .

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2013, 01:19:20 PM »
I believe that is a NFPA standard. 

I'm not sure the ATF has a limit.  I don't recall seeing one for smokeless powder.

I was mistaken.  Mark it off to a 72 year old brain in rapid decline.
Actually I found the information here, and mistakenly attributed it to the ATF.
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf

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Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not exceedinsg 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2013, 03:51:18 PM »
Maybe, supply is not so good in other parts of the country.  :o

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894

The "Fair ?" market is alive and well.
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2013, 05:27:55 PM »
So much for the OP's thought.

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2013, 10:14:09 PM »
Maybe, supply is not so good in other parts of the country.  :o

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894

The "Fair ?" market is alive and well.


Thats almost 6k rounds...figures out to about 0.09/round. So realistically not bad at all.
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2013, 10:34:07 AM »
at the fremont gun show Gene from 3Lee was selling primers for $37 .
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2013, 07:59:48 PM »
Panic must be over now.

Guns Unlimited now has Winchester AA 12ga Black Traackers, #8 shot in stock.

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »
Panic must be over now.

Guns Unlimited now has Winchester AA 12ga Black Traackers, #8 shot in stock.

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SEE!  Case in point. I knew I was right.

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2013, 08:09:37 PM »
it aint over till the fat lady can buy 22 ammo
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2013, 10:44:23 PM »
The DC shootings, will fire the gun debate all over, and push the ammo right off the shelves again. 

Feinstein is calling for more gun controls today.

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2013, 10:44:45 PM »
it aint over till the fat lady can buy 22 ammo
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2013, 10:48:19 PM »
3pm on a Sunday, Walmart in GI (south east one) had .22 ammo, in LR and magnum, sitting on the shelf. 

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2013, 11:05:14 AM »
And the latest version of 22LR for sale.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=365959249
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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2013, 07:27:09 PM »
Prices will not go back to where they were. We have all now been accustomed to the new normal and will only have those old prices in our memories. The manufacturers know this too, and once they have the shelves somewhat stocked, they will cut production to keep them from overflowing. As long as prices are high, people will still hoard what they can and a shortage will once again be a reality because some will not buy while it's available.

I saw this coming the first time the child was elected president by his fools. Call me a hoarder, I feel good about that!  9mm was $4.99 a box and 22LR was $12 for bulk packs, and it still shoots like new!

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2013, 10:09:10 PM »
Well it looks like the Dems are too busy defending Obamacare to do much pushing of gun control.  We still have to keep up our defense, but that does not seem to be the nations focus...for now. 

Since I started reloading, I haven't had any need to go shopping for ammo.  I do know it has been relatively plentiful at the local range.  I have also noticed that Montana Gold seems to have stock on hand and they do not appear to have the "one case per week" limit that they had a few months ago.

It has been a month since the last post in this thread.  Soooooo....are things getting any better out there?

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2013, 10:14:07 PM »
Any predictions on when 22lr will be available? Has anyone seen it around town, and for what price?

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2013, 10:23:15 PM »
Guns Unlimited (Omaha) sent out an email yesterday that they have .22LR 333-round packs just shipped in to stock.

Didn't give the price.

And FWIW, their handgun cases are now full of handguns, whereas over the summer they were just about empty.

FYI,

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2013, 11:06:46 PM »
Any predictions on when 22lr will be available? Has anyone seen it around town, and for what price?

That's the one thing that doesn't seem to be coming back, and prices I have seen are atrocious. 

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2013, 05:21:44 AM »
That's the one thing that doesn't seem to be coming back, and prices I have seen are atrocious. 

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I've been picking a lot of 22lr lately, (last month).  Walmart and Guns Unlimited for me.  They don't always have it but I've scarfed up about 6k rounds.  Last me a few outings at the range ;D

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Re: Panic coming to an end?
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2013, 09:47:55 AM »

I've been picking a lot of 22lr lately, (last month).  Walmart and Guns Unlimited for me.  They don't always have it but I've scarfed up about 6k rounds.  Last me a few outings at the range ;D

Could you tell us what prices you have been paying?

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