Author Topic: Gun trust "loophole" comments open Monday Sept 9..... (Read 7821 times)

RobertH · « **on:** September 07, 2013, 06:29:01 AM »

you have 90 days. Closes Dec 9, 2013. remember your comments WILL be published online for all to see/read.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/09/09/2013-21661/machine-guns-destructive-devices-and-certain-other-firearms-background-checks-for-responsible#addresses

what will you say? how will you defend your position? (i'm working on my comments)

Dan W · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2013, 04:14:35 PM »

Would a simple "FBHO" suffice?

RobertH · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:20:34 AM »

bumping this up.... the due date is coming fast! get your comments in after the holiday, since you never know when their servers will be down. im sending mine in next week. i encourage all of us to send comments to the ATF. i am also sending some comments to my federal representatives.

gsd · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:33:17 AM »

Left mine the other day.

whatsit · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2013, 11:09:33 AM »

Thanks for the reminder. I left a short comment, just now.
I think the turnout on this topic has been less than stellar. There hasn't exactly been a "flood" of comments in opposition to the proposed rule changes (just over 3,000 total; for and against).

If you haven't left a comment, please go here: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001
Click on the "Comment Now" button at the top-right of the page.

You can see some of the many reasons these rule changes are going to be bad for us here:
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/09/comments-for-atf-41p-starting.html

It looks like those of us in Lancaster County (specifically Lincoln) may be totally excluded from purchasing / owning class 3 items (see this thread):
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,10498.0.html
if the proposed rules go through.

I know not everyone is "into" class 3 items (suppressors, SBRs, etc), but whether you notice it or not, this is a right that is being taken away from you. Don't take action too late; make a comment today, please!

RobertH · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2013, 02:26:09 PM »

time is running out! send your comments in now!

tstuart34 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2013, 01:56:49 PM »

I havent put mine in yet. I have alot i want to say but just javent had time to put it all down. I javr to work next this coming saturday and sunday keeping tabs on a project. Should have plenty of time then

skydve76 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2013, 10:22:48 PM »

Dang it just started getting everything together to get an SBR going and now this. And to think I was just in a certain gun store/range and the worker claims all this gun crap going on has nothing to do with Obama....

Hmm.

RobertH · « **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2013, 06:11:22 AM »

if you get your paperwork in before Dec 9, you will get it approved in 3 months (barring any stupid ATF crap). Scott @ American Reaper said all of this eForm 4's are coming in at exactly 3 months.... which means, i might have a very quiet Christmas.

CitizenClark · « **Reply #9 on:** December 04, 2013, 06:37:50 AM »

Re: eForms wait times, check out the cluster of red points in the NFA Tracker trend graph: http://nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx

Whether these are representative, or just an aberration due to staff training on the new eForms system, remains to be seen.

gsd · « **Reply #10 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:27:25 AM »

I spoke to a gentleman at the NFA branch last week. He informed me that eFiled forms are expected to be approved and mailed within 4 months.

RobertH · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:42:56 AM »

well, i just filed my comments to the ATF. i also sent a note to our federal reps urging them to stop ATF 41P since its basically small scale gun control measure.

have you (meaning everyone here) sent in your comments? don't stand by and let them win.

what about the NFOA as an organization?

tstuart34 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2013, 12:09:49 PM »

I was bumping around on ar15 during lunch today and came across a thread with a form letter in it. I has a lot of great information in and is very well written.

If you do not have time to write your own comments please take the couple of minutes to copy and past it fill in your info and submit it. It is just under 5000 words so it can be submitted online

Link

The OP on ar15 stated that the author gave permission for anyone to use it.

CitizenClark · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2013, 02:06:17 PM »

Quote from: tstuart34 on December 04, 2013, 12:09:49 PM

I was bumping around on ar15 during lunch today and came across a thread with a form letter in it. I has a lot of great information in and is very well written.

If you do not have time to write your own commits please take the couple of minutes to copy and past it fill in your info and submit it. It is just under 5000 words so it can be submitted online

http://www.mediafire.com/view/1lmovb4n3b87gdb/ATF-41P.docx

The OP on ar15 stated that the author gave permission for anyone to use it.

The American Silencer Association has also provided useful templates for commenting on 41P. I link to ASA's post here: http://silencernews.com/only-five-days-left-to-comment-on-atf-41p/

NE Bull · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2013, 04:42:39 PM »

Quote from: RobertH on December 04, 2013, 07:42:56 AM

well, i just filed my comments to the ATF. i also sent a note to our federal reps urging them to stop ATF 41P since its basically small scale gun control measure.

have you (meaning everyone here) sent in your comments? don't stand by and let them win.

what about the NFOA as an organization?

The question was sent on- A couple of Directors 'in the know' are drafting a response.

RobertH · « **Reply #15 on:** December 04, 2013, 05:14:28 PM »

do not just send in a form letter. it will be treated at 1 comment. write your own comment, but you can base it on what those others have written. oh and please no plagiarism.

tstuart34 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:50:01 PM »

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/412433_ATF_41P__Some_new__different_comments_against_the_CLEO_sign_off_proposal.html&page=1&anc=bottom

This is the thread i got the link from. Sorry if the link is not hot. Im on my phone tonight. The Op says that the offer will let anyone use all of part of the letter. I asked the question about if everyone just submits a form letter would we just get a single form letter back. He agreed that one reply would be made but he also said submitting the same or ver similar letters would show the ATF that we have strongarguments against them.

I am going to do some modify on this to make it my own. But i have friends and family to show there support even though they are not NFA owners. And have no real opions the subject. To me 5 people support a single a well written comment is better then 5 people submitting im against 41p with no facts

tstuart34 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 08, 2013, 09:31:20 PM »

Kind of late for a bump tonight but tomorrow is the last day! I just submitted my commit. Get your commit in before the rush tomorrow!

tstuart34 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2013, 09:53:25 AM »

Last change everyone! Speak now or forever hold your peace.... well most of us will anyway...

RobertH · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2013, 03:00:49 PM »

roughly 9 hours left!