Gun trust "loophole" comments open Monday Sept 9.....

[Gary]

Sent to:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001


Dear BATFE:

As a loyal American, I would urge the BATFE to NOT adopt stronger laws or rule changes to take away or limit the lawful ability to obtain and own class 3 firearms.

Please let the current laws stand as they are.

Sincerely,

Gary Mayo

1jx-8979-p77i

[Gary]

http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001

This string needs to be copied and pasted into an internet address bar in full.  As a link, it does not work, because half of it does not highlight.

A working link is at the bottom of this page under COMMENTS

http://silencernews.com/only-five-days-left-to-comment-on-atf-41p/

[bkoenig]

Just took a quick look at the comments and virtually all of them oppose the change.

[NENick]

We're so screwed. How on Earth have only 9K people responded to this?

[skydve76]

Comment sent.  Here is a small snippet:
To Whom It May Concern:
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People who are attempting to register an NFA items are by definition law abiding.  The Trust "loophole" does not allow barred individuals from obtaining a firearm, as that person is already in possession of a firearm to register.  While this may be an issue, this issue has nothing to do with the current NFA process WHATSOEVER.

IF these rules were put into a place then it must be the case that the CLEO signature are "SHALL SIGN/ISSUE" instead of "MAY SIGN/ISSUE" to allow a fair and equally applicable law across the US.  Otherwise this will lead to more legal action from entities against these rules at the cost of US tax dollars in order to litigate.
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I do want to iterate the people who register NFA items are attempting to be law abiding citizens who pay the correct taxes.  It makes no sense to make it harder on us to that.  I want to be a law abiding citizen and I would like to be able to do so without undue hardship.  It is up to me as a law abiding citizen to ensure my NFA item is legal in my providence, as it is with any non NFA item I own.  We have been trusted for years with this and there have been nearly zero problems with the current system.  These changes are not justified.

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[tstuart34]

We're so screwed. How on Earth have only 9K people responded to this?

Yeah maybe we are its hard to say. They have alot of have alot explaning to do to some of the lawfirms that submited factual commits. By them submitting facts and legal refernces the aft should give a better answer then sorry for you and if they dont answer at all it opens stuff up for lawsuits. The way i understnad the best thing for us legally is they dont reply to anything. They just change the regs and as a group we take them court.

[00BUCK]

I asked them to provide a scenario where this rule change will actually keep someone, criminal or not, from committing a crime. Seeing how that is the least of their concerns I am sure it is falling on deaf ears.

[gsd]

We're so screwed. How on Earth have only 9K people responded to this?

Regulations.gov does not allow comments to be immediately posted. They hold and review, so who is to say the backlog of comments waiting to be approved for posting?

[bkoenig]

Yeah maybe we are its hard to say. They have alot of have alot explaning to do to some of the lawfirms that submited factual commits. By them submitting facts and legal refernces the aft should give a better answer then sorry for you and if they dont answer at all it opens stuff up for lawsuits. The way i understnad the best thing for us legally is they dont reply to anything. They just change the regs and as a group we take them court.

This is how I understand it as well.  If they just enact the new regulations without responding to the comments and justifying their position then we will have legal standing to go to court and get it overturned.

[RobertH]

and the NFOA response was?

[RobertH]

i've been hearing the ATF will make an announcement around June 2014.  stay tuned....

[tstuart34]

Wow I am kind of surprised. I thought they would push harder but they are the government after all.

The other thing that sucks is I hate waiting!

[bkoenig]

I'm cautiously optimistic that the ATF will either remove the CLEO signoff and keep the background check, or they'll try to push it through and it will be defeated in court.  I'm no lawyer, obviously, but I've read some really good comments from lawyers pointing out how this is on shaky legal ground.

[tstuart34]

From what I have been told on other sites if the AFT proceeds they will be hit with several largely funded lawsuits. They say they will take them though the supreme court if necessary. I really don't want to see it go that far because I don't think it needs that much public attention but if that is what it takes so be it.

[RobertH]

yes, arfcom has had some really good posts.



still waiting on the NFOA comment......

[skydve76]

I dont know but once again Mr Obama has caused me problems.  FINALLY, I decide to get an SBR after 3 years of thinking about it and he does this to me, again....

Once again he causes a "rush" because he wants to limit something, and once again causes way more people to own the very thing he wants to limit, than if he had just left it alone.

What an idiot.

[RobertH]

there are rumors of +70,000 apps in the system now.  but that includes eForms 1, 3, 4, etc.

[gsd]

EFile your app. NFA Branch is saying 4 months to approval for those. (As of two weeks ago anyway)

[tstuart34]

EFile your app. NFA Branch is saying 4 months to approval for those. (As of two weeks ago anyway)

Ha well less then two weeks ago it was 90days. If you want to do a e-form people better get inline before it is backed up to a year!

To bad I don't have the coin to put in for mine 

[bkoenig]

EFile your app. NFA Branch is saying 4 months to approval for those. (As of two weeks ago anyway)

Did you get yours filed?