Author Topic: Starbucks (Read 7733 times)

farmerbob · « **on:** September 18, 2013, 12:22:48 PM »

Starbucks' CEO says customers with guns are scaring employees and customers. They won't post their stores, but are verbally telling customers with guns not to bring them into their stores.

This story got me going for a minute. Then, they started showing pictures of customers open carrying, looking much like the fellow from Arnold, NE.

If the rebels that open carry to prove a point don't quit scaring the hoplophobes, we won't be carrying anywhere, concealed or open.

bkoenig · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2013, 12:35:28 PM »

Obnoxious open carry people win again.

There is a right and a wrong way to open carry. The in your face, confrontational methods a lot of people like to use hurt more than they help.

Roper · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2013, 07:10:00 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on September 18, 2013, 12:35:28 PM

Obnoxious open carry people win again.

There is a right and a wrong way to open carry. The in your face, confrontational methods a lot of people like to use hurt more than they help.

Yep

Kendahl · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2013, 08:49:11 PM »

Grant Cunningham talked about this today. http://grantcunningham.com/blog.html
It was typical of him -- calm, rational, pro-gun without being in-your-face confrontational.

Getting in people's faces only hurts our cause. Anti-gun politicians and hysterics are beyond reach; nothing we can say or do will change them. The people we need to persuade are the majority who are neither pro- nor anti-gun but could be turned against us by behavior that makes them uncomfortable. I have had varying reactions to the openly armed people I have met. Some obviously were no threat. Others seemed "off" and I got away from them as quickly as possible. (I have also had the latter reaction to some unarmed people.) To avoid turning neutral people into enemies, we need to behave in ways that are reassuring rather than threatening.

RedDot · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2013, 08:49:38 PM »

So I like to stir my coffee with the barrel of a Ruger Single-six...the sugar settles! Duh! Get off my back already!

camus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2013, 09:39:02 PM »

I reserve the term asshat for very special situations.

Like if you want to take a selfie at Starbucks with your Mossberg or AR, you likely fall in the asshat category.

Sorry.

NebraskaGunner · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2013, 08:40:54 AM »

Quote from: RedDot on September 18, 2013, 08:49:38 PM

So I like to stir my coffee with the barrel of a Ruger Single-six...the sugar settles! Duh! Get off my back already!

And here I thought I was the only one.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2013, 10:35:37 AM »

From the CEO's mouth...

http://www.starbucks.com/blog/an-open-letter-from-howard-schultz/1268?utm_source=search&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=phd

A lot of comments posted pro and con.

Fly

NENick · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2013, 01:51:21 PM »

I've got plenty of choices other than Starbucks. I'll be happy to save the $100 or so dollars a year that I was spending on them.

bkoenig · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2013, 02:14:47 PM »

Dunkin Donuts is better coffee anyway. Charbucks tastes like burnt wood shavings.

abbafandr · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2013, 06:38:21 PM »

I think the CEO was not out of line. Let's face it, there are pro gun media types that don't allow any carry ( concealed or open) in their studios.
If you own a business or a home, you have a right to set parameters like this.
I much prefer concealed carry to open carry. I'd rather not make myself a target and I like the element of surprise.

farmerbob · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:03:25 PM »

Quote from: abbafandr on September 19, 2013, 06:38:21 PM

I think the CEO was not out of line. Let's face it, there are pro gun media types that don't allow any carry ( concealed or open) in their studios.
If you own a business or a home, you have a right to set parameters like this.
I much prefer concealed carry to open carry. I'd rather not make myself a target and I like the element of surprise.

I personally don't think a business that is open to the public should be able to post their stores. The right of the people to keep and bear arms lies with the people and shall not be infringed by no man, store owner or not.

If a store owner doesn't want guns in his store, let him be the only one in the store.

He can't opt out of abiding by the state fire marshal rules for public safety. So, if he puts up a sign, let him also put in metal detectors and hire full time armed guards to protect the people he is disarming.

The country would be a much safer place if we could get rid of gun free zones. NO SIGN EVER STOPPED A CRIME!

Just my opinion.

GreyGeek · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:17:36 PM »

Colion Noir expresses my sentiments very well:

NENick · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:31:11 PM »

Quote from: farmerbob on September 20, 2013, 01:03:25 PM

I personally don't think a business that is open to the public should be able to post their stores. The right of the people to keep and bear arms lies with the people and shall not be infringed by no man, store owner or not.

If a store owner doesn't want guns in his store, let him be the only one in the store.

He can't opt out of abiding by the state fire marshal rules for public safety. So, if he puts up a sign, let him also put in metal detectors and hire full time armed guards to protect the people he is disarming.

The country would be a much safer place if we could get rid of gun free zones. NO SIGN EVER STOPPED A CRIME!

Just my opinion.

I'm not interested in being told what I can or can't do with my property. Private property rights are just as important to me.

AWick · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2013, 05:17:06 PM »

Deleted, wrote this on my phone over the course of an hour and realized that it came across differently than I intended.

RedDot · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2013, 05:53:42 PM »

Quote from: NebraskaGunner on September 19, 2013, 08:40:54 AM

And here I thought I was the only one.

I grew up in Springfield, so it must be a culture thing

farmerbob · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2013, 05:53:57 PM »

If you're going to be a champion for gun free zones,maybe you
should check out the Brady Campaign.
They may be more aligned with your views?

Husker_Fan · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2013, 07:44:25 PM »

And maybe those who wish to remove property rights should go join the Socialist property since it is more in line with their views.

farmerbob · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:11:11 PM »

Oh, I'm sorry! My bad. I thought I logged in to the NFOA. I must have accidentally logged in to the NPOA. I won't make that mistake again. Once again, I am so sorry to the Nebraska Property Owner's Association members.

NENick · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:41:23 PM »

Quote from: farmerbob on September 20, 2013, 10:11:11 PM

Oh, I'm sorry! My bad. I thought I logged in to the NFOA. I must have accidentally logged in to the NPOA. I won't make that mistake again. Once again, I am so sorry to the Nebraska Property Owner's Association members.

Farmerbob, it doesn't do us any good to poke at each other. We're all frustrated with those who stand in the way of our cause. Please know that we shouldn't be betraying our other principles in support of the 2nd Amendment. We simply don't have to.

What good is having the right to protect yourself/maintain independence when you have no right to your property, or do as you wish? We want our 2A rights so that we can be sure other folks don't make decisions against our will.