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Offline MissMichella

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2014, 12:35:19 PM »
You guys are awesome.  I'm so grateful and proud to be a part of the NFOA.  The support is so appreciated, especially due to some of the comments being thrown around.  I just went to buy a bag of cheese.  Didn't expect to start this..

I've OCed at that Farmer's Market for three seasons now with no problems until now.  While it was mortifying to find out my photo was posted without my consent, it's great to live in a country where people can use their 1st Amendment Rights to discuss my 2nd Amendment Rights, eh? 

I find it interesting how few people know about the violence that does take place in Lincoln.  I also find it interesting how many of the antis are reverting to name-calling..."nut" or "fearful woman."  If they thought I really was a crazy nut, then why are they deliberately trying to provoke a "nut" on a public forum with their names, jobs, and locations visible?  Does not seem very logical.  I think those of us who carry aren't afraid...but some people apparently are by the presence of a firearm.

Thank you all so much for the support.  Hopefully, when faced by facts, the OCFM board will side with Nebraska State Law and Federal Law. 

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 01:06:03 PM »
Stick to your "guns" M.M.
I to am proud of you, don't let these negative do gooders change what you feel is right.

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2014, 01:15:24 PM »
We've got your back, MM ... regardless of whether or not you brush your hair.  ;-)

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2014, 02:58:40 PM »
I've OCed at that Farmer's Market for three seasons now with no problems until now. 
THIS is a fact I keep trying to drive home- WHY NOW?  Obviously none of the purveyors had a problem with ya. 
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 06:21:19 PM »
This is awesome.  It must have Lincoln's tiny little tie-dyed, weed-smoking population totally befuddled because it reflects the reality of modern gun ownership rather than their stereotypes. 

They must also have their panties in a bunch that it happened at a 'farmers market'. For some reason, at some point, the idea of fresh produce, meat and cheese got commandeered by the tie-dyed crowd. Those of us who grew up on actual farms and living off that stuff our whole lives suddenly found ourselves surrounded by people who thought that wanting to buy fresh sweet corn and zucchini somehow equated to wanting to listen to some guy play the lute while panhandling for change, or wanting to hear about how there are no more monarch butterflies left.

PS... Has anyone else noted that there are a zillion monarch butterflies around this year??

PPS... By golly, MM, I have a pair of denim shorts exactly like that! 
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2014, 07:01:06 PM »
PPS... By golly, MM, I have a pair of denim shorts exactly like that! 
Oh my! That's a vision I didn't not need to have.
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2014, 07:40:20 PM »
My latest reply:

"Nebraska has a gun ownership rate around 40%, yet outside of North Omaha has a total overall homicide rate from every method of less than 0.8 per 100,000. That puts us in comparison with the safest top 16 nations in the world. Maybe the Nebraskans Against Gun Violence organization should focus on where the problem is and work with all sides to stop violence in general that is perpetuated through gangs, drugs, environment and poverty. When was the last time they spearheaded a community outreach in north Omaha instead of trying to restrict a peaceful law abiding woman from lawfully carrying a firearm for her own protection. You speak of statistics, and I gave you some. You speak of Omaha's training requirements, yet they account for over 80% of all the murders in Nebraska."
"Well-regulated" meant well equipped, trained and disciplined... not controlled with an iron fist.

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 07:49:52 PM »
Did anyone catch the KFOR 1240 interview tonight with the Nebraskan's Against Gun Violence volunteer?

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2014, 07:50:42 PM »
...and not only will I comb my hair, I will also retire those shorts... :laugh:
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2014, 08:04:35 PM »
Did anyone catch the KFOR 1240 interview tonight with the Nebraskan's Against Gun Violence volunteer?
No. Please fill us in.

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 "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."  Shane

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2014, 08:11:20 PM »
http://www.kfor1240.com/The-Coby-Mach-Show/17550824

Second one down. 

I'm against gun violence too...that's why I carry. 
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2014, 08:35:04 PM »
Ignorance is strong with Amanda Gailey.
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2014, 08:55:50 PM »
I read somewhere that....."A gun is like a parachute, if you need it and don't have it, you'll never need it again"

Carry on Miss Michella  :D
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2014, 12:43:29 PM »
The only real purpose for the 2nd Amendment is to overthrow a government which has morphed into an oppressor of people and their rights.  The 2nd Amendment will give the people a chance to restore freedom.  If they fail, there will be no other chances. 

Quite simply, those who would eliminate the 2nd Amendment are NOT concerned with deaths because cars and medical malpractice kill more people than guns.  They are not even against their own use of firearms to protect themselves, even though they would deny that right to others.   They are concerned that those who would resist their attempts to replace the rule of law under the constitution with socialism would use firearms as a last resort when the law and the ballot box fail.

If firearms become necessary around the country, and not just locally, then the country as a free nation no longer exists and what follows will be a fight for survival.
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2014, 02:00:38 PM »
I'm against gun violence too...that's why I carry. 

My response to the group, exactly.
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 "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."  Shane

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2014, 02:53:54 PM »
I made the mistake of trying to logically engage people who were posting in that thread.  I gave up.  I finally had to block two of the people because I could not stand to read their contradictory comments any longer.  These people kept posting "a well regulated militia" without adding any other part of the 2A.  *sigh.  It is frustrating and I just don't have the patience.

There were others who posted opposing views to my comments that also did not make any sense.  Such as, if the woman who was beheaded in OK had been carrying a gun, would that have stopped her from "losing her head" (his words).

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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2014, 05:27:59 PM »
i just sent the farmer's markets people an email.  has anyone heard from them yet?
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2014, 09:26:00 PM »
My email:
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Megan,
I'm 73 and have been retired for six years.  Because of my degrees and certifications to teach Physics, Math, Chemistry, Biology and Earth Sciences, while I was teaching at York College,  I was asked  by the York County Attorney in 1987 to examine  evidence from a murder that took place earlier at Henderson, NE.  Sydney Thieszen, a 14 year old adopted boy, shot and killed Sasha Thieszen, a 12 year old girl who was also adopted by the Thieszen family.

Sydney's attorney was asking for 3rd Degree accidental homicide. From the blood evidence collected at the time I was able to prove that Sydney had molested Sasha after he had killed her.  After this fact established that covering up an attempted sexual assault was the motive for the murder, Sydney's attorney agreed to a plea bargain of 2nd degree murder.  Sydney was given a 40 year sentence without parole.

That's the end of it, right?   Wrong!

If things had taken their normal course Sydney Thieszen might not have seen freedom till 2027.  However, because of a ruling in 1997 by a Nebraska Supreme Court Justice, all 2nd degree murder convections were thrown out, giving Sydney the option of a new trial.  His jail house "lawyers" advised him to seek a re-trial because since his first trial some investigators had retired, moved or died, and that the evidence against him was probably lost or destroyed.   His buddies were wrong.  I kept the evidence in my custody under lock and key the entire time.  I testified at the second trial.  So did two psychiatrists, who testified that Sydney was too psychotic to ever be released from prison.   If you knew Sydney's history from birth till he and his mother were arrested you'd understand why he is such a warped individual.  The jury which heard the evidence found him guilty and recommended a life sentence with no possibility of parole.  Sydney Thieszen was 24 at the time of the second trial.

That's the end of it, right?  Wrong.

Fast forward 15 years later, to November of 2012, when I received an email from the secretary of the Nebraska Board of Pardons informing me that due to a ruling early that summer by the United States Supreme Court all sentences of life in prison without parole handed out to juvenile offenders were declared unconstitutional.    Five different  "social justice" organizations had been working together for several years for this result and they had gotten their wish.  Since then, the fate of more than two dozen juvenile murderers have been up in the air, a political football, batted back and forth.  One camp wants their sentences commuted for time served.   Another wants to allow them to be paroled for time served.  Another wants them to remain in prison a minimum of 40 years and then be eligible for parole.  And so on. 

For most of my first forty years I used to be an avid hunter and fisherman, but when I started my consulting business in 1980 I had no time to pursue those interests and never shot a gun or bow, or cast a bait.    Since Sydney Thieszen has been  heard to say that if he ever gets released he would kill his entire family I, for one, took his threat seriously and saw no reason to assume that he wouldn't target me or my family as well, since my testimony aided in his conviction.   So, in the months following that Board of Pardons email I took the necessary classes and qualified for and obtained a Concealed Holder Permit, allowing me to carry a concealed firearm in all places where a concealed carry is permitted by law.   If at all possible I avoid places where I am not allowed by law to carry a concealed weapon.

Because some businesses refuse to allow concealed weapons on their premises,  a restriction criminals would never observe or obey anyway, those businesses put me at a disadvantage if I were to disarm in order to do business at such places.  To add to the insult which implies that my armed presence is as much of a risk as an armed criminal's presence, such businesses would never consider guaranteeing my safety while in their establishment, nor would they reimburse me for any injuries caused by criminals robbing their businesses.  Were I to be killed in such a circumstance they certainly wouldn't hold themselves liable for the continued support of my wife.  So, I choose not to do business at such establishments for my own safety.  Personally, I don't not consider my CHP to be a permit to defend a business I am patronizing against an armed robbery attempt, nor would I attack an armed or unarmed criminal simply because he is stealing merchandise or money.  Businesses carry insurance to cover loss due to theft.   My CHP is only to defend myself and my wife from direct physical threat.

Why should I feel unsafe?  Sydney, who is said to be one class short of a law degree, at taxpayer's expense,  has moved to handle his case differently from those of the other prisoners.  His hearings have been postponed several times.  In March  of this year the "status" hearing was postponed until June 9th,  and the re-sentencing  hearing moved to September 10th, with the entire day being set aside for that hearing.
http://www.yorknewstimes.com/news/murderer-s-resentencing-postponed/article_8ac8cffe-d66d-11e3-9b05-001a4bcf887a.html
However, NO printed news or Internet posting has been made of the results of either of those two hearings, IF they ever took place, or of any new hearings or court activities related to Thieszen being scheduled.  Three weeks following the announced dates of the hearings and still no news.   His case has dropped off the map.   The  Thieszen parents, those kind folks who adopted Sydney and Sasha, have sold their home and gone into hiding.   They have good reason to be afraid.  Sydney had stated that he was sorry that he didn't drop an electric toaster into her bath tub while she was taking a bath.   Such psychotic offenders often repeat their crimes when released.
http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html

Please do not disarm law abiding citizens who have complied with the abridgments of the 2nd Amendment in order to obtain a CHP so that they may defend themselves against real threats.

As a former town  marshal when I was teaching at Clarks HS, I learned first hand that when seconds count police are only minutes away, even when they are sincerely trying to get to the scene of the crime ASAP.  Sadly, some police take hours to respond to a 911, and some never respond to some calls.   The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled in at least two separate instances that the police have no obligation to protect you from any specific lethal threat even if you have a protection order and the police know that the threat to your life is real.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
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Thanks for reading this,
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Re: OH MY! OCing in the OC (Farmers Market)
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2014, 08:09:25 AM »
GG,
That is quite the compelling story and one that I hope continues to maintain a happy ending for you and yours.  With all the bellowing the anti-gun people make about not wanting to be "uncomfotable" because someone is carrying in their presence we never get to hear about situations like yours from our side of the line.  Your story is truly inspirational and a great example of why we should be able to carry unfettered by laws.

Thank you for sharing and I hope they take what you have to say to heart.
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