Author Topic: Vintage Military Rifle Match at Lincoln, Ike's (Read 8202 times)

Wildgoose · « **on:** February 09, 2011, 06:26:58 AM »

Lincoln Izzak Walton will be holding a new informal match for the older militay bolt rifles like the Mosin-Nagants, Swiss, Mauser and others. It will be run from April to October of this year. The exact dates are still being sorted out yet so you will need to check the Lincoln Ike's web site ( http://lincolnikes.org/ ) to see when they will be as things get sorted out. Click on the Calander of Events option on the left side bar.
It would take up to much bandwidth to give all of the details here so if you are interested PM me with your e-mail and I can send you a flier with the course of fire, allowed rifles, ammo, ect. Or check out the write up on Ike's web site when it gets posted.
It may be a few days until the web site calander and match information gets updated so keep checking or get in touch with me.
Goose

sparky0068 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:02:22 AM »

I hope I can use my Swiss K-31.

bkoenig · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:48:09 AM »

K31's are welcome, basically as long as it was issued by a military at one time and has a manually operated bolt. The intent is to have a fun match that's easy for the average Joe to get into. It's a "run what ya brung" sort of thing. If anyone wants to try it but doesn't have a rifle PM me - you buy the ammo and you can use one of mine.

NE Bull · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:59:46 AM »

Quote from: bkoenig on February 09, 2011, 08:48:09 AM

If anyone wants to try it but doesn't have a rifle PM me - you buy the ammo and you can use one of mine.

Ditto here! PM Sent

OnTheFly · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2011, 10:55:06 AM »

Maybe I should splurge and get some ammo for my Swiss Vetterli. Have not shot it yet, and I'm wondering just how accurate it will be.

Fly

bkoenig · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2011, 11:40:55 AM »

Quote from: OnTheFly on February 09, 2011, 10:55:06 AM

Maybe I should splurge and get some ammo for my Swiss Vetterli. Have not shot it yet, and I'm wondering just how accurate it will be.

Fly

Now that would be cool. I've been trying to convince my wife that I need a Finn 28/76 for this but I'm not having any luck. Something about the $900 price tag.

Dark Helmet · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2011, 11:41:12 AM »

Optics allowed?

bkoenig · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2011, 05:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Dark Helmet on February 11, 2011, 11:41:12 AM

Optics allowed?

There will be a separate class for optics.

Mudinyeri · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:59:29 PM »

Interesting ... I have a Springfield and an Enfield that I haven't shot in years. Guess I'll have to dig them out of the safe and see if they still go bang.

Wildgoose · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2011, 11:09:32 PM »

The match rules, allowed rifles and course of fire are listed on Lincoln Ikes web site now. Just check on the left side of the page under CLUB ACTIVITIES, RIFLE. So is the schedule in the Calander of Events area.

http://lincolnikes.org/

NE Bull · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2011, 03:58:37 PM »

It will be just my daughter and I that weekend due to Daddy gettin some 'sweet' tickets to Miranda Lambert (it's a toss up on who is more excited)

Anyway I was wondering who I would talk to about maybe letting some of the youngun's shoot some .22 'training rifles' when we all get done. Maybe move the targets in to 50 yards or so?
I have access to a Russian TOZ -magfed Bolt action that was supposedly a training rifle.
I figure any bolt action iron sight rimfire would suffice. Would be a great time to mentor our young.
Just a thought I'd throw it out there.

bkoenig · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2011, 06:17:08 PM »

I think that's a great idea. If we don't have enough spots on the line during the match for the rimfires I would be willing to hang around after.

bkoenig · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2011, 07:49:18 PM »

I'm pretty excited about this match. I sized and primed some 7.62x54R brass tonight. I need to work up a load - I'm thinking of starting really light with some pulled .311 150grain bullets and 35 grains of IMR 4895. Load data for this caliber is pretty scarce, so I'm using .303 British as a starting point and starting at the low end.

This old gal is getting hungry, I need to feed her:

Wildgoose · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:55:07 PM »

Just back from the Appleseed and man I am beat. Learned a lot and had a good time at it though. I have load data for the 54R in a couple of my older loading manuals. Let me know if you are interested.

justsomeguy · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:05:42 PM »

Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester has a pretty extensive database on their website.
I got this data from here. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

The format doesn't show up well on this board but the link above is well put together.
It shows a starting charge for the 150 Gr. at 46 Gr. of H4895 and max. charge at 49.5 Gr. compressed.
35 Gr. looks awfully light.

Cartridge: 7.62 x 54R
Load Type: Rifle
Starting Loads

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Bullet Weight, Manufacturer, Powder, Bullet Diam., C.O.L. Grs. Vel.(ft/s), Pressure, Grs. Vel.(ft/s) Pressure

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110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.715" 51.0 3016 34,700 CUP 55.0C 3200 39,900 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .308" 2.715" 56.0 3141 34,200 CUP 60.0 3376 42,300 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H335 .308" 2.715" 51.0 3126 36,300 CUP 54.5 3332 45,200 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.715" 51.0 3150 35,500 CUP 55.0C 3345 43,400 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Benchmark .308" 2.715" 47.0 3060 39,700 CUP 50.5 3213 44,900 CUP
125 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.715" 51.0 2967 37,400 CUP 55.0C 3139 45,700 CUP
125 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .308" 2.715" 56.0 3094 37,500 CUP 60.0 3298 45,100 CUP
125 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H335 .308" 2.715" 50.0 2997 36,500 CUP 53.0 3193 45,100 CUP
125 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.715" 50.0 3036 36,700 CUP 54.0C 3236 45,700 CUP
150 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.875" 47.0 2721 38,000 CUP 50.5 2985 46,400 CUP
150 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon BL-C(2) .308" 2.875" 52.0 2878 40,200 CUP 55.5 3027 46,300 CUP
150 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H335 .308" 2.875" 46.0 2751 38,800 CUP 49.5 2918 45,900 CUP
150 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.875" 46.0 2769 38,000 CUP 49.5C 2938 46,300 CUP
165 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon H4350 .308" 2.950" 52.0 2608 36,300 CUP 55.0C 2740 41,500 CUP
165 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon H414 .308" 2.950" 49.0 2521 33,600 CUP 52.0 2669 41,400 CUP
165 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon H380 .308" 2.950" 47.0 2499 35,900 CUP 50.0 2629 40,800 CUP
165 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.950" 45.0 2581 39,800 CUP 48.3 2727 46,000 CUP
165 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.950" 44.0 2633 40,200 CUP 47.0 2761 45,800 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon H4831 .308" 2.975" 51.0 2281 31,900 CUP 55.0C 2484 39,200 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon H4350 .308" 2.975" 51.0 2493 37,600 CUP 55.0C 2692 44,700 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon H414 .308" 2.975" 49.0 2478 38,600 CUP 52.0 2622 45,600 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon H380 .308" 2.975" 47.0 2430 38,200 CUP 50.0 2542 42,000 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.975" 43.0 2409 38,400 CUP 46.5C 2575 45,900 CUP
180 GR. SFT SCIR Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.975" 42.0 2482 40,900 CUP 45.4C 2618 45,800 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4831 .308" 2.950" 52.0 2348 41,100 CUP 55.0C 2468 45,700 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4350 .308" 2.950" 48.0 2329 37,400 CUP 52.0 2529 46,500 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H414 .308" 2.950" 48.0 2396 40,500 CUP 51.0 2526 45,500 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H380 .308" 2.950" 46.0 2337 41,200 CUP 49.0 2432 46,600 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.950" 41.0 2304 41,500 CUP 44.0 2412 46,000 CUP
200 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.950" 39.0 2271 41,400 CUP 42.2 2411 46,400 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H4831 .308" 2.830" 50.0 2209 39,100 CUP 54.0C 2381 46,000 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H4350 .308" 2.830" 47.0 2227 37,600 cup 50.5C 2396 45,900 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H414 .308" 2.830" 47.0 2296 40,200 CUP 49.5 2401 44,500 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H380 .308" 2.830" 43.0 2145 39,400 CUP 46.0 2274 45,900 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.830" 40.0 2178 42,300 CUP 42.5 2269 46,000 CUP
220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.830" 38.0 2143 41,200 CUP 41.0 2263 46,600 CUP

bkoenig · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:48:57 AM »

Thanks, I looked on the Hodgdon site but somehow I couldn't find the 7.62 loads.

bkoenig · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:14:50 PM »

Ok, got some loads ready to test out for the M39. Not sure how I couldn't find 7.62x54R the first time around, so that's why I was using .303 as a starting point since it operates at a lower pressure.

I've been looking around for another vintage military rifle and almost bit on a really nice No.4 MK1 Enfield at Cabelas yesterday. In fact I had it in my hand and was walking over to my wife to beg for it when I changed my mind at the last minute. I'm glad I did because tonight I ordered another Enfield...a really old one:

http://www.ima-usa.com/british-p-1864-snider-type-breech-loading-infantry-rifle-with-short-socket-bayonet-untouched.html

It's an 1864 Snider-Enfield. These were 1853 Enfield muzzle loader rifled muskets that were converted to breechloaders in order to shoot a black powder cartridge round - .577 bore! The U.S. did basically the same thing when they came up with the Trap Door Springfield. I always wanted a Trap Door, but I never knew it would be an Enfield.

IMA found a ton of them in Nepal, along with a bunch of Martini-Henry's. A lot of guys are buying these, cleaning them up, and making nice shooters out of them. They look horrible, but all the Yak grease on them has protected them for the last 150 or so years.

Here's a thread about restoring them. As you can see they turn out pretty nice:
http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/topic/9208/t/Readyman-s-IMA-Untouched-Snider-Short-Rifle-get-one-.html

It's not really suitable for this match, but it looks like I'll have a new rifle (eventually) for the Ike's BPCR game!

Dark Helmet · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:04:01 PM »

gah, sporterized is verbotten

bkoenig · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:26:58 PM »

Quote from: Dark Helmet on February 28, 2011, 09:04:01 PM

gah, sporterized is verbotten

I hear ya...but there are plenty of already sporterized K98's, 1903's, and Enfields that are waiting for good homes. They're kind of like lost puppies.

I have to confess I'm guilty of sporterizing one gun, but it was a rifle that had nothing salvageable except the bare action. I really need to finish that project some day.

Dark Helmet · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2011, 04:27:45 PM »

my 35 Whelen is already done, and so is dad's 30-06 (both K98s)... such is life.