Torn pistol cart.

[Lmbass14]

Was wondering if anyone would know what would cause the tearing of the cart.  I have a sig P238 HD, which was sent back to sig May 19,11 due to FTF, FTE, stove pipes (won't load Cor-Bon ammo at all). Sent the casings and end of boxes to sig as well. 

Noticed the tearing after the first clip.  At first I thought the cart. came from the person next to me at the Bullet Hole, then changed my mind after the next round.  I used Win. white box and  Rem, green box.  Shot a total of 200 rounds straight, the problems started within the first 50 rounds.  The gun was clean before going to the range.  Saved the casings and showed it to the folks at the BH, Guns Unlimited, Cabela's and no one have seen this before.

Sorry for the crappy photo, it's from my phone camera.

Thanks in advance.

Bernie

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[Mudinyeri]

Any marks on the slide of your pistol behind the ejection port?

Will your extractor rotate slightly - maybe 5°?

[Dan W]

That looks like the slide is closing down on the brass before it can escape the ejection port and crushing it!

[Lmbass14]

Thanks for the rapid reply. 

Mudinyeri - wish I'd thought of checking for marks and any play in the slide before sending it back to Sig. :-(

Dan - That's a real good thought.

Thanks again.

Bernie

[Dan W]

Load 1 round in a magazine, insert magazine, load the cartridge into the chamber, leave the empty magazine in place, fire the gun...does the slide move fully to the rear and lock open on the empty magazine?

If not the pistol may be short stroking. Causes could be weak ammo, excessive recoil spring tension, excessive friction or resistance to free movement of the slide ( binding ) 

If it does lock back as it should, inspect the brass for your issue. How far away did the brass fly?  A tight extractor or a weak ejector can keep the brass from clearing the ejection port properly.

Try to eliminate some of the variables and your Sig dealer will have an easier time with the diagnosis, but in my opinion they should have already done all that I described


a quick google search found that their are lots of problems with the P238 model

[Lmbass14]

Just to let everyone know, got the sig back yesterday. 

They did the following,

replaced the mag
replaced recoil spring
installed ejector
adjusted the slide catch lever (didn't even know if you could do that)

they threw in an extra mag.  that was nice of 'em.

Will take it to the bullet hole and let you know how it works.

Will try to take some notes during the testing session.  Sig said they shot 30 rounds and no problems.

Thanks for all the idea's.

Bernie

[David Hineline]

None of what they did is going to fix that, I suspect weak ammo or limp hold on gun. Those look like classic slide slammed down on unejected round.

[Randy]

Please give us a range report when you can. Hope they fixed up your firearm to run smooth.

[Lmbass14]

Did a 50 round test on the Sig, used Winchester White box the same that was causing the issues, and didn't have any malfunctions.  The grouping sucked, but then again wasn't going for a tight group.

David, even shot weak handed with the loosest grip I could use while still controlling the firearm, shot ( 2 clips ) and they were perfect.  No malfunctions. 

Thanks again for all the advise.

[Mudinyeri]

The extractor issue on the P238's is pretty well documented.  Glad you got it fixed.