Author Topic: LB430 UPDATE 5/13/09: LB430 Passes 45-3; thank the Senators (Read 26084 times)

Dtrain323i · « **Reply #60 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:11:06 PM »

This is excellent news. I work evenings so I couldn't attand but when this hits the floor for debate I will be there.

Jay · « **Reply #61 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:45:20 PM »

I am at home now and on my own time, but there is not much more that I can add to the discussion at this point. Again, a huge thank you to all that were able to take time out of your busy schedules to attend, and to speak.

I was not planning on speaking at all, mainly because I am the worst public speaker on the face of the earth and should be barred from doing so at all cost, but I wanted to take advantage of the last couple of minutes granted to us before the opponents spoke to address a couple of concerns that came up during the testimonies. Senator Lathrop's ignorance on the issues before him, combined with his hang up on the perceived lack of training (translated - competence) by anyone not possessing a badge really annoyed me. He got so hung up on how terrible it would be to have a non-leo permit holder firing a handgun in a crowded room that he completely lost track of the fact that the situation that would cause that to happen would be a deranged psychopath opening fire on masses of unarmed people in the same crowded room with nothing stopping him from shooting people at will except a cramp in his trigger finger. I don't think anything could be more terrible than that.

I would also like to bring attention to the happy little moment when Sen. Lautenbaugh slammed Chief Cassidy. When asked, the Chief conceded that possessing a firearm was more of a fundamental right than an individual's right to burn leaves. Then, the senator asked if that is the case, then shouldn't the laws concerning firearm possession be expected to be more uniform throughout the state than the local ordinances pertaining to leaf burning? That made me smile.

All in all, I think it went well, with the expected reactions of the pro and anti senators. No big surprises.

As has already been said, this bill is not perfect, and I doubt that it could even be passed without more imperfect changes being made to it. It is, however, a step in the right direction, and if the only way we can begin to reclaim our rights in this state is step by step, then I'll put my best running shoes on and get at it.

LutherRev · « **Reply #62 on:** March 13, 2009, 12:36:06 AM »

I'm sorry that I could not stay to hear all the testimony. I do not understand why preemption isn't an absolute no brainer.
Local jurisdictions should have the right to govern local issues but a State licsense/permit must be a state wide document or the State is diminished. As for reciprocity that shouyld also be a no brainer. The Attorney General ought to have the authority to declare reciprocity with States whose permit requirements meet or exceed our own.

I am hopeful that it will become law if we can just get it out of Committee.

475okh · « **Reply #63 on:** March 13, 2009, 06:39:02 AM »

Looks great. Can't believe Omaha did not have some type of representation there. Looks like they may loose the 10 dollar per handgun registration fee.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #64 on:** March 13, 2009, 07:33:55 AM »

Quote from: 475okh on March 13, 2009, 06:39:02 AM

Looks great. Can't believe Omaha did not have some type of representation there. Looks like they may loose the 10 dollar per handgun registration fee.

They did. Omaha City Prosecutor Marty Conboy was there and did testify in opposition. I think the first section of the bill may be one of the parts that will get amended by the time it gets out of committee.

Aldo · « **Reply #65 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:18:48 AM »

Quote from: 475okh on March 13, 2009, 06:39:02 AM

Can't believe Omaha did not have some type of representation there.

Well, Sen Brenda Council, who is on the committee, is from Omaha. But, it sounds from what those who attended are saying is that she may have been there in nameplate only during the testifying. Was she really gone from the room for that long? If so, you would think that the committee chair would have a word with her about her duty to sit through the meeting respectfully. Ok, I can understand that irritable bowel syndrome can have a priority, but it sounded from an earlier post that she left the room for an extended period of time.

Jesse T · « **Reply #66 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:28:13 AM »

Senators come and go from the hearings all the time. Some have meetings or other sessions to attend... its just the way the thing is run.

Aldo · « **Reply #67 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:29:02 AM »

This morning while driving to work, the local Lincoln radio station (KLIN 1400AM) talk show dude was ranting about how he just couldn't understand how this bill could allow churches to have armed guards with guns strapped to their sides since it would just seem odd to be in church and look around and see an armed guard standing there.

I was trying to call in to the station while driving, but fortunately (before I could get into an accident dialing and driving at the same time) another listener called in and said that the idea is NOT to have someone standing there with a gun strapped to their side, but that the gun would be CONCEALED!!! The radio dude goes: "Oh, okay, good point. Thanks for the call." Uneducated dude, and, unfortunately, there are many folks like that out there in our community who just don't understand....and it sounds from those who attended the committee meeting that there are even committee members who are uneducated about the ccw deal...and they are on this important committee!!

I pray that it doesn't happen, but church shootings, and probably even school shootings, are gonna happen, and probably here in Lincoln. Why wait until something happens, and then have to wait until the next legislative session to change the law? This is an opportunity for the churches to OPT to have their internal ccw security in place....it doesn't mandate them, but at least it allows for the option to do so.

Aldo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:32:44 AM »

Quote from: Jesse T on March 13, 2009, 08:28:13 AM

Senators come and go from the hearings all the time. Some have meetings or other sessions to attend... its just the way the thing is run.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was making the assumption that she was gone for that long because of her publicly known strong stance against this bill, against ccw, and against citizens even having guns! Good to give the benefit of the doubt. But, JesseT, in this case??? Hhhhmmm.

But, I wasn't there, so my bad on being judgmental based only on what I was reading from y'all who were there relative to folks' interpretations of the committee members.

Jesse T · « **Reply #69 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:29:49 AM »

I am not trying to defend her. She was not the only senator to come and go throughout the different hearings in the afternoon. It just seems wierd to me that she would be there the entire afternoon through everything but then as proponents for 430 start she leaves... and as opponents to 430 start, she is suddenly back. Coincidence or not... you decide.

averagejoe · « **Reply #70 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:36:47 PM »

I see Senator Fulton has made this his priority bill. Does that give the bill a 'get out of committee' free card and automatically advance it to the full legislature?

FarmerRick · « **Reply #71 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:53:17 PM »

Quote from: jdaffer on March 13, 2009, 01:36:47 PM

I see Senator Fulton has made this his priority bill. Does that give the bill a 'get out of committee' free card and automatically advance it to the full legislature?

No. I'm sure it doesn't hurt at all though.....

I'm confident that it will advance out of committee, but it will most likely not be as it is written right now. I'm sure it will be amended.

ranger04 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:55:20 PM »

I also emailed Sen. Fulton on this bill thanking him for the using his 'one chip" to make this his priority bill.

He respond: Thank you for your email. My priority designation ensures the bill will
come out of committee for full debate by the legislature. I have high
hopes we will pass this bill. I'm certain there will be attempts to
weaken it, though. I will work to keep the bill intact; pre-emption is
what the bill is about and reciprocity is vital also. I will make a
logical, articulate case as to why we should pass the bill.

Being from Lincoln, I catch a lot of heat for taking the positions I
take. Thanks for your support; it's meaningful to me. .
Tony Fulton

Senator Tony Fulton
ed with this:

FarmerRick · « **Reply #73 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:58:45 PM »

Quote from: ranger04 on March 13, 2009, 01:55:20 PM

I also emailed Sen. Fulton on this bill thanking him for the using his 'one chip" to make this his priority bill.

He respond: Thank you for your email. My priority designation ensures the bill will
come out of committee for full debate by the legislature. I have high
hopes we will pass this bill. I'm certain there will be attempts to
weaken it, though. I will work to keep the bill intact; pre-emption is
what the bill is about and reciprocity is vital also. I will make a
logical, articulate case as to why we should pass the bill.

Being from Lincoln, I catch a lot of heat for taking the positions I
take. Thanks for your support; it's meaningful to me. .
Tony Fulton

Senator Tony Fulton
ed with this:

Hmmm....I stand corrected.

ranger04 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:02:52 PM »

JimP.

I thought about that the other day, the bastions of freedom, the courthouse, schools, town hall meetings and the like where freedom is "to be protected and exhibited" ban the freedom of self protection... Also where rights are expected to be utilized re: 1st Amendment, voting etc. squash the right to self defense....

Quote from: JimP on March 12, 2009, 03:25:04 PM

It is not perfect, but it is way better than we have......

I had a thought while driving this AM: Have anyone noticed that the CHP Law prohibits carry pretty much anywhere ideas are shared (except for the intarwebz!)? No Church Carry, no CCW in bars, no pocket pistols at political rallies, courthouses, libraries ....... it occurs to me that folk that take it upon themselves to provide for their own security are kinda socially marginalized by the very law we struggled to get passed!

JimP · « **Reply #75 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:49:43 PM »

Ranger-

Lotsa stuff to work for, haven't we?

AAllen · « **Reply #76 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:04:21 PM »

Anyone able to say what the representitive from the league of municipalities had to say. This is the third hearing on this issue in about 2 years, at the first of those they testified that they would be offering a solution that has not seen the light of day to this point. Did they make the same suggestion again?

LutherRev · « **Reply #77 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:05:24 PM »

Since the bill will make it to the floor, it's obviously crucial that all Senators be contacted. Do we know when the bill is going to have its first reading? As much as I disagree with the State dictating to all "places of worship" that they be no carry zones if it will help secure progress on preemption and reciprocity...

minnowmaker · « **Reply #78 on:** March 14, 2009, 10:15:42 AM »

I can't believe what I heard this a.m. I just returned from a town hall type meeting hosted by Sen. Wightman. The meeting was in Cozad. The Sheriff of Dawson Co. ask Sen. Wightman to vote against LB430 because he (the Sheriff) wanted to see a bill that would provide uniformity across the state. Am I missing something? Is that not what this bill would do? I don't think he was very happy with me when I suggested that he re-read the bill and study it a little deeper.

huskergun · « **Reply #79 on:** March 14, 2009, 03:11:40 PM »

Good for you minnowmaker.
Some of these Sheriffs just refuse to get it. They believe and spew the same thing the Brady Campaign does. They don't read the legislation but follow the anti's like little sheep.