Author Topic: Open Carry (Read 5338 times)

bullit · « **on:** May 23, 2012, 04:01:01 PM »

Sums it up for me... and "sorry" to anyone whose feelings are hurt....

NENick · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:51:29 PM »

Wasn't it extremely difficult to get a concealed carry permit in California, which limited most people to open carry? People who then open carried were the subject to the hassle that comes along with it, which then caused them to react due to fear/frustration - open carry in groups/ make statement?

I understand why those people did what they did. I'll add that I never OC unless I'm wandering around in the woods or away from people. The higher situational awareness is also too much for me.

wallace11bravo · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:59:58 PM »

Interesting video. I look forward to observing the discussion that will inevitably follow on this thread. I would say that my opinions are pretty much inline with what as said in the video.

I do OC when I go out west to my folks, so do alot of people, including my dad with a slung 30-30 that he is quite fond of. It is not unusual to see someone walk into the feed store or Dick's place in Lawrence with a rifle, shotgun, or pistol being carried, for no other reason than they didn't want to leave it unsecured in a vehicle. I used to OC in my vehicle around Lincoln and on road trips, but I do not need to anymore.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2012, 07:25:58 PM »

In an urban setting, I agree to a point with them. It is less likely to draw attention of those around you.

In a rural setting, or even just outside or Obamaha and "Stink'n Lincoln", I will open carry a majority of the time and see others that do the same too.

Lorimor · « **Reply #4 on:** May 24, 2012, 06:43:45 AM »

Don't OC in Columbus! You will become THE focus of attention as has been guaranteed by the Chief o' Police.

NENick · « **Reply #5 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:28:10 AM »

Quote from: Lorimor on May 24, 2012, 06:43:45 AM

Don't OC in Columbus! You will become THE focus of attention as has been guaranteed by the Chief o' Police.

I didn't hear about this. Has he publicly threatened everyone?

sparky · « **Reply #6 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:44:55 AM »

I remember in the early 90's when I lived in Columbus I would see open carry a couple times a week, never anymore when I visit family. I graduated with a current officer on the police force there, I should try and contact him and see what he says about that.

y0diggity · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:42:13 PM »

I agree with the video. I just don't see the point in OC when concealed carry is possible. It only works to draw attention from others and to potentially cause problems. Unless it's necessary, why would I want to have my weapon out for all to see?

justsomeguy · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2012, 04:46:50 PM »

Same reason I wax my truck and clean the tires. Because it makes me happy

FarmerRick · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2012, 05:45:10 PM »

Quote from: y0diggity on June 05, 2012, 02:42:13 PM

I agree with the video. I just don't see the point in OC when concealed carry is possible. It only works to draw attention from others and to potentially cause problems. Unless it's necessary, why would I want to have my weapon out for all to see?

Why on earth would you NOT want everyone to gaze at the beauty of that magnificent Glock of yours?

Dan W · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2012, 08:38:53 PM »

I believe the thought is that normalizing the presence of firearms in daily life would reverse some of the world's hoplophobia, but it seems to have some unintended consequences IMHO

bkoenig · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2012, 09:48:25 PM »

Just my .02, and I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, but I try to not draw attention to myself. For me that includes keeping my gun concealed.

bkoenig · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2012, 10:28:40 PM »

Quote from: FarmerRick on June 05, 2012, 05:45:10 PM

Why on earth would you NOT want everyone to gaze at the beauty of that magnificent Glock of yours?

Glocks are great firearms and marvels of engineering, but I think that's the first time I've heard one described as beautiful......

NE Bull · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2012, 08:41:17 AM »

Quote from: bkoenig on June 06, 2012, 10:28:40 PM

Glocks are great firearms and marvels of engineering, but I think that's the first time I've heard one described as beautiful......

Ditto! I would n't go there, for sure.

JimP · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2012, 03:48:45 PM »

OC was the only legal option in most places in California....... now it is illegal ......

Pincus suggests that because it was not popular with the powers that be, nobody should have done it.

Answer me this: What is the practical difference between something that you are legally allowed to do and afraid to do based on what the authorities think of it and something that is outlawed outright? Bupkus.

My take is with OC outlawed in Cali, at least the Anti's can not claim your 2A rights are being respected because you could OC. Were it not for the fact that the 9th Circus has jurisdiction over Cali, this would be a slam dunk 2A case......

Nothing important lost, and it has the potential to make great gains possible.

bullit · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2012, 08:37:45 PM »

I think what Rob was alluding to was the fact that the proverbial "thumbing one's nose" at the Libs in the CA Assembly was the nidus for them (The Assembly) to outlaw OC i.e. setback "legal" carry. Right or wrong...agree or disagree....when dealing with tyrants its going to cost you at some point. The rhetorical question for me/us is how far are you willing to push, and are you prepared to face the potential consequences?

Lorimor · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2012, 07:21:12 AM »

Quote from: Nick Olson on May 24, 2012, 09:28:10 AM

I didn't hear about this. Has he publicly threatened everyone?

Early on during the Great CCW debate, he issued the general statement through the local paper. The Columbus PD is not known as "gun friendly."

bullit · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2012, 08:42:48 AM »

Lorimor it was the hollow gun fighter look in your eyes when you swaggered down main street that intimidated him.....

Ronvandyn · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2012, 11:41:31 AM »

In principal I agree with the statements in the video. But then again I OC all the time, around the house, in my immediate neighborhood, in my car. Once outside of those comfort zones the shirt comes out of the pants or the jacket goes on.

IMHO it’s all about each individuals personal “comfort zone”. Out west it seems that the comfort zone is pretty large, but in the eastern tenth of the state its small. As for Columbus, well I have never been there, but if I ever do I have an audio recorder on my phone. Imagine how much fun we could have with that?

Ron

DanClrk51 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2012, 10:19:23 AM »

What a load of hogwash. He ignores the fact that OC can deliver powerful deterrence. Sure, he may be right about it drawing unnecessary attention to oneself but he is dead wrong about people OC'ing being ass hats.
In CA at the time OC was the only average joe way of legally carrying a gun for protection. CA is may issue for ccw and its not affordable for people on the lower money spectrum. CA law requires that one need to get a $1 Million insurance policy in order to get a CCW. You also have to show "good cause" etc. CA only has approx. 33,000 ccw permits according to legallyarmed.com. It is impossible to get a permit in the heavily populated counties of the state.

Pincus argues that OC was banned as a direct cause of people OC'ing. That argument don't hold water as there are 43 States that have legal OC in some form or another (with permit & or without). People open carry in those states and have their OC picnics and rallies as well as the lone person carrying handgun openly and armed with video camera and giving the cops a run for their money. Has it resulted in an OC ban in all the other states? No....

The only reason why it was banned in CA is because that state is governed by the extremist far left. CA has a long history of violating 2nd Amendment rights and passing anti-gun laws regardless of what the constitution says. Did the OC rallies get the liberals' attention? Sure....but there were NO problems caused from any of these events nor individuals who legally carried openly. The liberals only reason they could come up with for banning OC was: "It creates a potentially dangerous situation for police and the public"....well driving on the interstate, using a chainsaw to cut wood and just about anything else in life requiring you to get out of bed in the morning can potentially create a dangerous situation.

Banning OC is clearly unconstitutional and it won't stand forever. CA's politicians and courts have argued, twisted the truth, and weaseled their way out of respecting the 2nd Amendment but their arguments and lies wont hold forever. They've already tongue tied themselves with their own fatal arguments and they are going to be called out on it soon. On top of what's going on within CA we also will likely soon see another case go before the US Supreme Court in which the court will rule whether the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms extends outside the home.
We have already seen success in this regard in a federal court in Maryland above all places where their May Issue law was ruled unconstitutional because the 2nd Amendment applies outside of the home.