thanks i will look into those, i am not looking to spend to much as he is turning 3 on the 28th and it is mostly for me and him to train in safety and for him to see cans fall over. i also was notified that she wants to practice with handguns since she is also interested in ccw after she becomes more familiar with firearms. so if anyone knows a good air pistol as well. maybe something that resembles a m9/92fs, sig p226, 1911, or something like that. anyone have experience with the hk, beretta, sig, licensed bb guns they have out? i thought that would be nice since they function as normal firearms do for practicing for the both of them.