Author Topic: Texas and Louisiana Petitions (Read 5054 times)

unfy · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2012, 04:57:21 PM »

Yes, whitehouse.gov is real.

The petitions from average citizens to secede their state is ultimately pointless however. Sure, it expresses gripes with the current state of affairs, but it has no legal power.

The state gov'ts are the ones that need to do the action. They are the parties named in the Contract (Constitution), not the people.

unfy · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2012, 05:01:09 PM »

Oh, another note.

Quote from: some joe schmoe

I'm pissed and jumping without thinking and saying we should secede!

So... what form of gov't do you have planned ? Are you going to keep the Constitution or attempt to draw up something better ? Do you have any idea how smart the founding fathers mother****ers were ?

Husker_Fan · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2012, 07:11:57 PM »

Most likely a monarchy with Coach Tom as the first king.

Chuck Matson · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2012, 10:30:11 PM »

Quote from: unfy on November 13, 2012, 04:57:21 PM

The petitions from average citizens to secede their state is ultimately pointless however. Sure, it expresses gripes with the current state of affairs, but it has no legal power

I believe I pointed that out. This IS a form of protest.

Quote from: unfy on November 13, 2012, 05:01:09 PM

So... what form of gov't do you have planned ?

The one we are supposed to have.

ALiesveld · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2012, 12:57:23 AM »

Quote from: unfy on November 13, 2012, 05:01:09 PM

Are you going to keep the Constitution or attempt to draw up something better ? Do you have any idea how smart the founding fathers motherbuggerers were ?

The idea behind these secessions is that the federal government no longer abides by the constitution.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2012, 07:32:32 AM »

Quote from: ALiesveld on November 14, 2012, 12:57:23 AM

The idea behind these secessions is that the federal government no longer abides by the constitution.

They haven't for a long, loooong time.

I hold little hope that anything short of an all-out civil war will return us to anything resembling the Representative Republic as it was envisioned to be.

bullit · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2012, 08:55:56 AM »

Some of those petitions are a riot.....one of my favories so far is endorsing "Johnny Football" from A&M for the Heisman.....great use of out tax dollars and resources.....oh well back to the Gulag.....

NENick · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2012, 10:09:05 AM »

The folks that signed these petitions gave the government their personal information. I'm worried that they'll all be at the top of the list for IRS audits/harassment.

Chuck Matson · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2012, 11:00:24 AM »

Thanks for your concern, but I`d bet a shiny silver dollar I`m already on a few lists.

Wymore Wrangler · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2012, 11:50:46 AM »

I'd be very wary about signing one of these things, with Obama's attack on Second Amendment rights, they might twist this issue as renouncing your citizenship, which means you won't legally be able to buy a gun!!!!

metaldoc · « **Reply #30 on:** November 14, 2012, 12:48:52 PM »

Peacefully grant the State of Nebraska to withdraw from the United States and create its own NEW government

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS

FarmerRick · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2012, 02:59:13 PM »

Quote from: chuckm on November 14, 2012, 11:00:24 AM

Thanks for your concern, but I`d bet a shiny silver dollar I`m already on a few lists.

I know of at least one list you are on....

CitizenClark · « **Reply #32 on:** November 14, 2012, 03:41:04 PM »

Quote from: Wymore Wrangler on November 14, 2012, 11:50:46 AM

I'd be very wary about signing one of these things, with Obama's attack on Second Amendment rights, they might twist this issue as renouncing your citizenship, which means you won't legally be able to buy a gun!!!!

They are actually making it a lot more difficult to effectively renounce your citizenship. I don't think that these petition signatures would qualify.

Chuck Matson · « **Reply #33 on:** November 16, 2012, 09:06:43 AM »

Quote from: metaldoc on November 14, 2012, 12:48:52 PM

Peacefully grant the State of Nebraska to withdraw from the United States and create its own NEW government

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS

This petition was started a day after the one I note. Yes they have more signatures than ours, however I do have a problem that the guy who started it is from ND. Also, many who have signed it are from out of state. We have a guy from MI who signed ours also. Hoping that he is in the military or something which would allow him to maintain his state of res.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #34 on:** November 16, 2012, 09:23:57 AM »

Quote from: chuckm on November 16, 2012, 09:06:43 AM

This petition was started a day after the one I note. Yes they have more signatures than ours, however I do have a problem that the guy who started it is from ND. Also, many who have signed it are from out of state. We have a guy from MI who signed ours also. Hoping that he is in the military or something which would allow him to maintain his state of res.

From what I've heard anyone can sign any of the petitions.

All of them are a collasal waste of time, IMHO.

lneuke · « **Reply #35 on:** November 16, 2012, 10:30:36 AM »

The petitions are only there to warrant an official response from the "Obama Administration." No way in hell would they actually allow any of the states to secede in such a manner. I signed because it shows that we are unhappy with the current state of affairs, and many of us would likely support a secession if it came to that. They are not a waste of time, and I'm definitely curious how the administration will respond...although I'm sure it'll be some B.S. answer.

unfy · « **Reply #36 on:** November 16, 2012, 01:29:00 PM »

Don't like MA or NY ?

Sign the petition to remove them from the Union !*%^)@!*$_)@!%*!_@)%*!@_)%*(

Hardwood83 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2012, 08:55:21 AM »

Quote from: bkoenig on November 13, 2012, 11:36:16 AM

Just my .02, I don't think the time is right to be talking secession. Is it a possibility down the road? Yes, maybe, as a last resort. But I don't think the country is lost yet. Things will probably get worse before they get better, but I believe we can still right the ship. I'm not ready to give up and write off a large chunk of America. Secession would be a disaster for both sides.

I hope you're right.....but have my doubts. 'We the People' ain't what we used to be. I now have something in common with the First Sasquatch (aka Michelle Obama)- I am now ashamed of America.

I also think online petitions are as effective as online polls, that is to say less then zero.

Omaha is no paradise but things will have to get pretty ugly before I resort to moving to Iowa.

wallace11bravo · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2012, 10:55:23 AM »

Quote from: Hardwood83 on November 17, 2012, 08:55:21 AM

I hope you're right.....but have my doubts. 'We the People' ain't what we used to be. I now have something in common with the First Sasquatch (aka Michelle Obama)- I am now ashamed of America.

I also think online petitions are as effective as online polls, that is to say less then zero.

Omaha is no paradise but things will have to get pretty ugly before I resort to moving to Iowa.

Pretty much my thought on this whole thing.

Chuck Matson · « **Reply #39 on:** November 18, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »

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