Info on Government Stockpile of Ammo

[UPCrawfish]

 NOAA Office of Law Enforcement

GreyGeek...   Obviously, they are responsible for enforcing the "Laws Of Nature"   

[SS_N_NE]

When did the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration need an armed enforcement contingent?  Along the coasts what's the coast guard for.  Within the states what's the local police and highway patrols for?

From the NOAA website:

"From tackling seafood fraud nationally to helping crack down on illegal fishing internationally, we're here to make sure that those who obey the rules reap the benefits of fair competition and an even playing field in the market. We protect marine resources and their habitat and help safeguard the health of seafood consumers and the livelihoods of coastal communities."

It is my opinion that these various entities want to do their own enforcement since they can not depend on anyone else to do it for them. That could also involve dealing with corrupt law enforcement, leaks or identity protection of agents.

As they prepare S. 649 there is already a part allowing the attourney general to create a campus security of some form for schools and work with other departments to share or create that extra bureaucracy. More government, more money spent, more laws....etc, etc, etc.

[ILoveCats]

When did the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration need an armed enforcement contingent?  Along the coasts what's the coast guard for.  Within the states what's the local police and highway patrols for?

Have to admit, had no idea they had an enforcement wing: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/index.html

Since the Coast Guard's territory is "all navigable waterways", it would seem like there could be efficiencies gained by just letting the CG perform these functions.  State and local police may not be the solution for federal or inter-state issues, but CBP would perform anything related to customs issues. 

Sounds like a good place to find budget cuts, to me.

[SS_N_NE]

A chunk of S. 649 in it's current state: Authority to establish and operate....although there is mention of mutual aid...looks like more spending and more government to me.

‘SEC. 509. NATIONAL CENTER FOR CAMPUS PUBLIC SAFETY.
 
‘(a) Definition of Institution of Higher Education- In this section, the term ‘institution of higher education’ has the meaning given the term in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001).

‘(b) Authority To Establish and Operate Center- The Attorney General may establish and operate a National Center for Campus Public Safety (referred to in this section as the ‘Center’).

‘(c) Functions of the Center- The Center shall--

‘(1) provide quality education and training for public safety personnel of institutions of higher education and their collaborative partners, including campus mental health agencies;

‘(2) foster quality research to strengthen the safety and security of institutions of higher education;

‘(3) serve as a clearinghouse for the identification and dissemination of information, policies, protocols, procedures, and best practices relevant to campus public safety, including off-campus housing safety, the prevention of violence against persons and property, and emergency response and evacuation procedures;

‘(4) coordinate with the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Education, State, local and tribal governments and law enforcement agencies, private and nonprofit organizations and associations, and other stakeholders, to develop protocols and best practices to prevent, protect against and respond to dangerous and violent situations involving an immediate threat to the safety of the campus community;

‘(5) promote the development and dissemination of effective behavioral threat assessment and management models to prevent campus violence;

‘(6) identify campus safety information (including ways to increase off-campus housing safety) and identify resources available from the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Education, State, local, and tribal governments and law enforcement agencies, and private and nonprofit organizations and associations;

‘(7) promote cooperation, collaboration, and consistency in prevention, response, and problem-solving methods among public safety and emergency management personnel of institutions of higher education and their campus- and non-campus-based collaborative partners, including law enforcement, emergency management, mental health services, and other relevant agencies;

‘(8) disseminate standardized formats and models for mutual aid agreements and memoranda of understanding between campus security agencies and other public safety organizations and mental health agencies; and

‘(9) report annually to Congress on activities performed by the Center during the previous 12 months.

‘(d) Coordination With Available Resources- In establishing the Center, the Attorney General shall--

‘(1) coordinate with the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Education, and appropriate State or territory officials;

‘(2) ensure coordination with campus public safety resources within the Department of Homeland Security, including within the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and the Department of Education; and

‘(3) coordinate within the Department of Justice and existing grant programs to ensure against duplication with the program authorized by this section.

‘(e) Reporting and Accountability- At the end of each fiscal year, the Attorney General shall--

‘(1) issue a report that assesses the impacts, outcomes and effectiveness of the grants distributed to carry out this section;

‘(2) in compiling such report, assess instances of duplicative activity, if any, performed through grants distributed to carry out this section and other grant programs maintained by the Department of Justice, the Department of Education, and the Department of Homeland Security; and

‘(3) make such report available on the Department of Justice website and submit such report to the Senate and House Judiciary Committees and the Senate and House Appropriations Committees.’.

(c) Rule of Construction- Nothing in this section shall preclude public elementary and secondary schools or their larger governing agencies from receiving the informational and training benefits of the National Center for Campus Public Safety authorized under section 509 of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, as added by this title.

[GreyGeek]

THere are just TOO MANY agencies with armed policing capabilities.  Just a thought ... IF you wanted to create a "civilian security defense force" how would you do it?  One agency at a time, eventually giving them access to loads of rifles and bullets, 2,700 armored vehicles, etc...?  Then some time in the future, "for efficiency sake" combine them into a single agency with authority in  every state  to which local and state  police have to submit?

When will NOAA begin to get its own aircraft, boats and cutters? http://www.uscg.mil/datasheet/

The redundancy is unnecessary and expensive, and creates too many law officers with "I'm above the Constitution" attitudes. 

[ILoveCats]

THere are just TOO MANY agencies with armed policing capabilities.  Just a thought ... IF you wanted to create a "civilian security defense force" how would you do it?  One agency at a time... 

You're still very "close" to the point, but missing it slightly, GreyGeek.  The real enemy is simply a FISCAL one.  You go one step too far, beyond the real issue, when you get into the civilian defense force stuff. 

Agencies will always get into "turf wars" to try and wrestle over who has jurisdiction over a certain area of enforcement.  It's all about securing budget and expanding the scope of mission.  In a bizarre Darwinian sense it's actually a healthy phenomenon within the Executive Branch of government, but only if the Legislative Branch does their job and takes the hatchet to the budget to cull out the least effective / efficient parts whenever possible.

[ILoveCats]

A chunk of S. 649 in it's current state: ....

I read this all and honestly can't quite figure out the relevance to the broader thread.  Sorry. Maybe my Friday afternoon cocktail is affecting my judgement.  (That's entirely possible!)

[JimP]

I am of the opinion that the whole reason that True Progressives (as opposed their "useful idiots", who just want to "do some good") are growing the .gov in every manner possible IS to make the system so bloated and expensive that it collapses under it's own weight- then they can remake it/ transform it into a system they like better.

No intelligent person could come to any conclusion in which continuing on the presesent path is sustainable, yet they want to double down on spending?  Either they are really stupid, insane, or Evil.  Maybe all three.

[SS_N_NE]

I read this all and honestly can't quite figure out the relevance to the broader thread.  Sorry. Maybe my Friday afternoon cocktail is affecting my judgement.  (That's entirely possible!)

S. 649 is the current gun trafficking bill that is essentially the basis of a gun control bill. It will be where everyone tries to plant an agenda in the near future. Hopefully the Republican filibuster threat will shut down the works.
The part I posted is a single part where it empowers the Attorney General to establish and operate the "Center". Likely to be another entity with it's own police capacity.
The whole thing taps back into the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. Noticed one section that jacks $30 million to $40 million for each of 10 years. Lots of grants  (many more tens of millions) and control powers.  Registration (universal background checks) would be another entity. Trafficking would be another.  Covered up with school safety (how dare anyone deny school safety).
Gun/magazine bans are just smoke to cover the money and power they are really looking to take.

[GreyGeek]

Agencies will always get into "turf wars" to try and wrestle over who has jurisdiction over a certain area of enforcement.  It's all about securing budget and expanding the scope of mission.

Having worked at a state agency for over a decade  I understand turf wars, mission creep and testosterone/progesterone  battles.  But redundancies are just that, and our government  is way to redundant (mission  overlap) in way to many areas, and it costs us too much in treasure and liberty.  NOAA does NOT need an armed contingent when it could simply get a warrant and/or make a call to the Coast Guard or local police.   What usually happens is that they end up calling local law  enforcement anyway, and you have half a  dozen or more armed individuals pointing firearms at what are usually unarmed and helpless folk ignorant of the particular law they are accused of breaking.

This stuff even happens at the local level, usually  forced by unions.   We have a 911 ambulance service.  We also have a fire department with a strong union.  Call 911 here and you always get a race between the ambulance and a fire truck.  While the firemen have "some" EMT training and Oxygen equipment, they are NOT equipped to administer IV or drugs, take EKGs,  and they do not have a radio link to doctors in the ER.  And, the fire truck does not have room on it for a patient on a stretcher.  So, we can't reduce the number of firemen nor can we forbid firetrucks from answering 911 calls, but it would save us a ton of money if we could and it wouldn't affect 911 service at all.