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Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« on: April 17, 2013, 12:10:06 PM »
Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
By  Charles C. W. Cooke
April 16, 2013 3:05 PM

I just got off the phone with Army Master Sergeant C. J. Grisham, a serving American soldier and veteran of the the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, who recently was illegally disarmed by the Temple Police Department while out for a walk with his son.

“We live out in the country in Texas, near Temple,” he told me. “My son and I were on a ten-mile hike so that he could earn his hiking merit badge – it’s the last badge he needs to become an Eagle Scout.” But half way into the hike, Grisham said, “a police officer pulled up.” Initially, he was “cordial” and he “asked what we were doing.” Grisham told him. “Then he looked at my rifle. I carry a rifle any time I walk around because there are feral hogs and cougars and things like that.”

From here, things took a turn for the worse.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345714/free-cj-grisham

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 12:47:45 PM »
hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 01:04:06 PM »

Also noticed today that there are places where recording police action without their immediate consent is a 15 year criminal offense.
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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 01:45:52 PM »
Who watching this video, thinks this gentleman walking along a road with an AR around his neck, in a camo hat and red bandana, was acting in a just and prudent manner? 

I think the outcome was predictable, and his having a video of the incidence recording everything, is a indication he was hoping for just what was predictable.

I think we have the right to open carry, I think we have the right to keep and bear arms, however, even free speech, does not give the right to shout fire in a dark crowded theatre.

I would never do, what this guy has done in this video.  He was calling attention to himself, and once the interaction with LEO's started, he made sure to enforce their fears of him, at every word that came from his mouth.

At the point, the LEO's arrested him, had it gone the other way, and they uncuffed him, and gave him his guns back, would that have served the public interest, turning loose a thoroughly pissed off guy with two guns, walking along the road?   That would seem like a less than ideal outcome of the stop.

Did the original police officer handle it perfectly?  Possibly not, but at every opportunity, the guy with guns keep digging himself deeper into the hole he created.

Should he loose his CHP?   That I am sure will be hotly debated in gun forums.   I think the guy was a lot too confrontational in his use of firearms in this video.  IMHO

Thanks so very much for posting this, a great example of how LEO's will, or possibly will respond to open carry under similar circumstances.
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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 01:56:23 PM »
The open carry event thread had a post to a video of a guy that explained his opinion on open carry.

In the video the guy remarks that looking for confrontation and being an ass is just that... being an ass.  And your voice cracking when talking/ranting doesn't come across as bad ass hehehe.



Grisham is an ass.  Pure and simple.



Personally, I've never heard of an incident concerning polite and respectful open carry... it's always some jerkwad running their mouth.

That said, there has been some concealed carry encounters where the citizen was sorely mistreated... *sigh* ... but ... open carry ? Not that I'm aware of.
hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 02:13:27 PM »
He asked for the attention and the LEOs complied.  Case closed. 

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 03:01:07 PM »
Answer me this, did he break the law? We are a nation of laws, right? Shouldn't a person only get in trouble by breaking them?

Are your freedoms just preferences, or are the convictions? Under pressure, we often let our preferences go. Under pressure, our convictions should get stronger and more steadfast.

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 03:11:00 PM »
NENick:

Sadly, the video doesn't show the opening of the encounter.

3 cents says that he was approached by LEO, was a complete douche & hostile towards him.... and thus how things unfolded.

How the officers handled it and some of the things said aren't quite right but that doesn't change the fact that the guy was asking to be arrested for all intents and purposes.

hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2013, 03:13:30 PM »
NE Nick....I don't think ANYONE on this forum will disagree with you. The issue today is how much attention (and resulting hell) do you want to potentially put yourself through.  No he did not break any laws as OC of a long gun no problem (OC of a HG IS illegal in the state of TX).  His biligerance opened him up for a pretext for arrest.   Being a native Texican myself, Temple is nice conservative town about an hour from where I grew up.  Had he simply complied with the LEO's request (which by the way the initial encounter is not on the video), he would have been on his merry way.  I don't have the perfect answer, but as for me and my house again the less conspicuous these days, the better off one may be ....

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2013, 03:22:32 PM »
Not notifying of the concealed pistol didnt help anything either... 

JMHO - NOT telling LEO about a concealed weapon ever ends well for the citizen.  EVER.


BTW - Just was on Glen Beck on KFAB.  Probably on the Blaze as well.


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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.  I carry a lot of ammo because I cant run very fast.

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2013, 03:43:33 PM »
With cuffs on, he produces his wallet, yet will not let anyone in the LEO team touch it.  He could have produced his concealed weapon just as easily.   He was not the poster child for a respectful citizen contact in LEO circles.   

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2013, 04:22:55 PM »
In TX one is NOT required to inform LEO he is carrying concealed.  He does have to produce his CHP with his DL upon DL request.....

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2013, 04:48:33 PM »
I listened to the guy today on the Glen Beck show.  He claims he was out hiking with his son in a rural area as they worked on a Boy Scout merit badge.  He said he often carries a weapon to guard against snakes and feral hogs.  He said they were walking down a rural road when the cop approached them from behind and grabbed for his weapon.  I haven't heard the other side of the story, but it sounded like the cop was being an ass.

Remember, bad judgement doesn't make something illegal nor render one's rights void. 

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 05:43:05 PM »
I listened to the guy today on the Glen Beck show.  He claims he was out hiking with his son in a rural area as they worked on a Boy Scout merit badge.  He said he often carries a weapon to guard against snakes and feral hogs.  He said they were walking down a rural road when the cop approached them from behind and grabbed for his weapon.  I haven't heard the other side of the story, but it sounded like the cop was being an ass.

Remember, bad judgement doesn't make something illegal nor render one's rights void. 

Yeah, he might have been out with his kid.  He might have permits.  It may be completely legal normally anyway. But....

Have you watched the clip ?

The guy's a complete ass and very belligerent towards the officers including making threats.

And the clip doesn't show the opening of the 'stop' ... so if the officers started the situation wrong, who knows.  I'm willing to bet the guy STEERED the situation so that the LEO disarmed and arrested him.

Just from the guy's actions and reactions in the clip, he's a twit that got what he wanted.  He's also got a history of being a twit if ya read my link up above.

To quote bullit:

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He asked for the attention and the LEOs complied.  Case closed.
hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 06:03:36 PM »
I don't believe he was being unreasonable.   If you are walking down the road with your son, IN THE COUNTRY, carrying a rifle that is legal to open carry in the country and a police car comes up behind you and the officer gets out ....  then the video starts.   The office admits to grabbing  the gun and did not disagree when Grisham said that he never asked for the AR-15 but just grabbed it.  The AR-15 was on a sling around Grisham's neck.  I doubt that a man would  start a rucus with his son around. and while he was in the patrol car with his hands cuffed behind his back he was trying to assure his son that the Officer weren't bad men. 

That's NOT "behaving like an ass".  That's showing indignation over illegal treatment  by an LEO.   How irate would you get if you were arrested for doing something that is not against the law?   Also, some criticize him for not telling the police immediately that he had a CHP.   The way the event unfolded I doubt that would be the first thing on your mind, especially, if from your point of view (and what the film seems to show)  you are being assaulted by the LEO without warning and not given a chance to do so.

If that officer felt threatened, after the fact, like he claimed, it apparently wasn't enough of a threat to make him reach for his gun.

The citation by Michael Yon, who is peddling his own books on that site,  does nothing less that create a character assassination for being awarded a Bronze  Star with a "V" by painting the medal as an "atta boy" metal that has no real merit.  I discount such self-serving criticism.   Besides, it is easy to find web pages trashing just about anyone, even Yon:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/07/michael-yon-sold-as-surplus.html
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2010/06/michael-yon-the-end-game.html
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2010/06/michael-yon-proudly-violating-opsec.html

Grisham didn't create the  BSM, the Government did.  He didn't award it to himself, someone of higher rank did.

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Does this happen to soldiers a lot? I ask. ”Yes, this has happened several times in this area. To Staff Sergeant Nate Samson, for example. He had to fight these guys for ten months. The charges were dropped, but he has no justice. He doesn’t have a lot of money to fight them. I have a pretrial hearing on May 29. The police are dragging their feet, not releasing the video. They’re waiting as long as they can — playing hard to get. . . . The reason I’m aggressive on this is that, in the military, if this happens, they initiate a flag that halts your career. You can’t take leave, you can’t be promoted, can’t receive awards or decorations. I am supposed to move to new base in July. I can’t do that. I’ve been on active duty for 18 and a half years and it’s got my career on a hold.”
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 Law enforcement have a duty to recognize that if someone is lawfully carrying a weapon then you should leave them alone. Who cares what somebody complains about?”

Just a couple weeks before he appeared before a city or county board promoting the 2nd Amendment and rulings that would bring that body  more in line with the 2A.   He certainly doesn't sound like an "ass" during his talk.


Is he being targeted for his political views?
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Re: Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2013, 06:44:47 PM »
I'm surprised at many of the comments here. I think its pretty obvious that the cops were out of line. Their attitude was made clear with the statement that they were above the law. The officer involved should be fired and criminally charged with violating this man's civil rights.

Unfy....What threats was Grisham supposedly making?