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Cop In Hurry To Be Supersized At McD
« on: April 18, 2013, 04:05:59 PM »
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/288918/40/Cop-in-slow-McDonalds-line-accused-of-aiming-gun-at-customer-ahead-of-him

You never know when someone in a position of power and authority could just snap.

This is why I never give a police officer, a postal worker, check our person at Wal-Mart, anyone in a service job, a hard time, or give them a bad vibe.  Not that they would do anything to me, but abuse is cumulative, and does foster, and build up under the surface. 

Always best, to be super nice to people you meet, in the world today,
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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 04:49:40 PM »
My folks taught me to respect my elders and be polite to others.  They were both military for some time (dad at 20-some years) ... so throw that on top of it... and then a Southern teenage years got me saying Ma'am and Sir a lot.  And I do mean a lot.  It irks people sometimes heh.

But in general... the politeness and ma'ams/sirs go a long way to having pleasant conversations with folks.  It's even gotten me free coffee from time to time heheh.

LEO can have some of the ****tiest jobs in the country.... particularly in mean areas of big cities like Chicago or SF, etc.  A bit of respect goes a long way.

hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2013, 05:17:31 PM »
I do not understand his being "suspended WITH pay."   Any regular non-officer would have been stuck in jail and not been given a paid vacation.  I am hoping that he gets punished by the full extent of the law, but it irks me to see a cop do this and still be suspended with pay.

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 05:32:34 PM »
I do not understand his being "suspended WITH pay."

I don't get it either.  Same with 'administrative leave' and other such things.

Might be related to 'supposed to be a better class of citizen, give them a slight benefit of doubt'.

Might be related to union contract & bargaining powers.

Might be related to just plain ole power abuse.

The only time I'm aware that a normal company will tell you to go home WITH pay is part of a severance package.... and none of that is relating to BREAKING THE LAW, let alone endangerment.
hoppe's #9 is not the end all be all woman catching pheramone people make it out to be ... cause i smell of it 2 or 3 times a week but remain single  >:D

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »
Sounds like we need some "common sense legislation" over the amount of time one should reasonably have to wait on their McRib.  ;D

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2013, 07:44:26 PM »
How many people here eat McD?  I used to, till I saw videos showing their food does not spoil, sitting on a shelf, years.   YEARS!

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2013, 08:08:07 PM »
I do not understand his being "suspended WITH pay."

Being an LEO is extremely stressful at time.   My experience as a deputy marshal was that it  could be described as long periods of boredom punctuated by short periods of intense fear.   During that time I pulled almost a dozen dead or dying people out of car wrecks.  A week after I resigned the guy who replaced me saw a car stopped along side HiWy 30 a mile or so east of Clarks.  He pulled up behind, stopped, got  out and approached the vehicle.   He saw a lot of quick movements and some struggle, then the car took off.  He gave pursuit and called ahead.  The patrol was waiting for the  car on the east edge of Central city and stopped it.  The guy who was driving wanted to put the sawed off shotgun on the window ledge and shoot the guy who replaced me when he got to the window.  The other guy didn't but when he couldn't wrestle the gun away he turned the ignition key and caused the car to lurch forward.  The driver panicked, started the engine  and took off.  I think about that on occasions.

I assisted in various homicide investigations for the York County attorney and the Highway Patrol but after several years I stopped doing it because even looking at just the photos, clothing and personal  effects of people who had been brutally murdered and you know were once breathing, happy and full of hope can weigh  on you.  It can make you very depressed.  The  last  case involved a woman  in her early 50s who was partying at a bar south of York.   A kid in  his early 20s asked for a ride home.  While going through the park on the south west side of town he suddenly pushed her out of her truck then backed the truck over her a couple times and drove off with her truck.  Those photos showed a mess.  To die over a lousy truck.  It was too much.  And people have died for a few dollars or nothing at all.  Keep dealing with all that kind of stuff for too long without some kind of therapeutic help and you'd have to be ice cold to not break. That LEOs have a lower divorce rate means that many of them have married some terrific spouses.

I only say all that to say this:  when you are in law enforcement for a long period of time and if you are  so unfortunate as to experience too many situations without having the benefit of counseling or psychiatric help, or an understanding spouse,  eventually you will snap.  Everyone handles it differently but every normal person will be affected.  IMO, that's why we should cut them some slack and not  "shoot our wounded" LEOs anymore than we should do the same to returning vets who've served several tours, willingly or unwillingly, and have seen stuff that wasn't meant to be seen repeatedly.  They've put so much on the line for so little and for so long ....
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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2013, 10:54:36 PM »
I am wondering if he was ousted with pay, while they investigate, because he was not on duty at the time?  Had he been in uniform, he would have been canned for sure.

Guessing it is some union agreement thing that was set in stone 20 years ago.  Procedure.

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 08:04:28 AM »
Grey -  I can empathize with the LEO's who sacrifice much for their profession.  However, those in medical services also sacrifice much and are placed in high areas of stress.  While I would never belittle the stress and danger than an officer encounters, I don't believe that they are "above the law" in any way.  This guy who pulled a gun for FOOD should be locked up without pay.  Maybe he did just have a mental break, but he pulled his gun on a kid in a freaking drive through!   Any "regular" person who would have done that would have been punished to the full extent of the law.   

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 09:28:48 AM »
The investigation is all on video, send the cop to prison, no need to waste time and money on a trial.

They need to pay for the kids college too, then spend countless hours trying to make the kid feel safe around cops again.

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2013, 10:07:58 AM »
However, those in medical services also sacrifice much and are placed in high areas of stress.

In inner city ER,  I'm sure.  They see violence in mayhem daily and with today's modern advances they save many more than they used to.

But, in general, I'm  not sympathetic to stress in the medical profession.  We have laws against truck drivers spending more than 11 hours behind the wheel in any 24 hour period, or more than 70 hours per 7 days.    Yet, the ACGME  limits the number of work-hours to 80 hours weekly and 30 hour maximum straight shift, but those limits are voluntary.  If I  knew the  doctor who was examining me had been up for 25 hours straight I'd stop and reschedule my appointment.   I don't want a sleeping truck driver coming down the road at me and I don't want a sleepy doctor making decisions about my health.

I wrote some accounting software for four anesthesiologist who had an office in G.I.   That was about 30 years ago.  Their  schedule was 4 operations per day and at average of 1,200 per operation, for 9 months a year, and they took 3 months per year vacation.  They prefered that the operations begin at  6AM so  that they could be done by noon and could take the rest of the day off.   That earned each of them about a quarter million a year,  when the average income for regular folks was under $10,000/year.   I didn't see any evidence of pressure or stress in any of them back then.

The General Practitioner today earns about $175,000/yr after expenses.  Specialists can make 10X that much, or more.    The average income of Nebraskans today is under $40K/yr.    Just like any other discipline there are those who graduate at the bottom of their class and make less, or can't make enough to stay in business.  That kind of stress is of their own making.

In allied medical fields like pharmacy, the average pharmacists makes about $100,000/yr today.

Government regs and the current political climate has put a lot of pressures on the medical profession, but I have yet to see a doctor who was any good at her profession living in a mobile home or a 70 year old house, unless they were pretending to be Dr. Livingston.   There are  good doctors still practicing and making good money who haven't even switched their record systems to computers yet.  :o  The  nurses who  are keeping up with those manual record systems ARE under stress, especially with our government demanding huge amounts of paper work, stifling  regulations, insurance hassels and litigious patients. 

The  stress is higher for "physicians assistants", nurses who work for doctors who want to maximize their income by increasing their patient load.  The state allows the PA to do  the work of the doctor but not make the income the doctor is making.   Fortunately, many PAs are as good or better than the doctors they work for.  But, the only reason a PA exists is because the medical schools/profession limit the number of people who enroll in medical school to deliberately keep the number of doctors low so that they can  keep the income potential as high as possible.
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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2013, 10:28:03 AM »
Wow Grey, what a belittling post.  I hope to all deities that you never need medical help and express your views.  I am a primary practitioner and make no where need $125K/year.  Overhead, Medicaid, Medicare, and just plain non-payment kills my income.  Yet, I CHOSE this profession.  Just like LEOs CHOOSE theirs.


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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2013, 11:43:16 AM »
what a belittling post

Not intentional, just facts as I see them.

My  own personal  experience with the medical profession is mixed.  My first dentist visit, at  12, was to a dentist whose  office was smaller than  my clothes closet.  He didn't use anesthetic  and the Stanley pliers (I know because I used  an identical pliers my dad had in his work shop) he used to pull a molar which was rotted nearly to the gums was the most painful experience of my life. He put me in fear of dentists until I was in grad school, but by that time several of my other molars were in trouble and an ex-navy dentist pulled them. He used a cream to numb the gums and then  injected Novacain.  I never felt a thing.  However, the bridge he installed later crumbled within a month, and so did the replacement a month after it was put in.  All the dentists since then were equally painless, including the one who did the root canal.  His x-ray was hooked up to his laptop, which was next  to his chair, and he had wires connected to his instrument that were attached to a button which I held.  I'd press it when ever I felt pain, or when I felt what he wanted me to feel.

While I was teaching at Clarks, I also supervised corn  rougers for Prairie Valley seed company.  I had ten groups of ten kids, with one kid from each group supervising the other nine.  I walked back and forth behind the ten, zig-zag, 100 rows at a time,  supervising them.  After three  summers in the field my hammer toes  and  flat feet were so painful I could hardly walk.  A couple podiatrists said they could fix the hammer toes and I let them.   Big mistake.  It was the most painful operation I ever had.  I was off my feet and in a wheel chair for two months.  The Z cut in the tendons allowed wires embedded in the eight toes to be pulled straight, straightening the toes.  Pulling  the wires was also painful.   They ignored the fact that I had no normal padding beneath the balls of my feet.  Within a couple years the toes started curling again and started hammering again.  They are now more painful than they've ever been and walking is always painful.  Even as I set here typing I have pain. 

My son flew  with me to visita client in Chambers, Ne.  It was his first flight in a small airplane and  he loved it.  We both picked up a chest infection.  We went to our doctor in Central  City  and the doctor gave us both  Penicillin shots.  What the doctor didn't tell us was they he used a glass syringe with a platinum needle, which he flamed between patients.  The patient before my son had Hepatitis.  The flaming didn't kill the virus that had aspirated into the neck of the glassy syringe.  My son got the full load.  I got a much smaller load.  We both caught Hep B and were sick as dogs.  I got over it rather quickly.  My son didn't. I recognized the symptoms of hepatitis and called the doctor for an appointment.  He gave my son and I a time which was after hours.  When we arrived he and his wife, who was a nurse, were gowned, gloved and masked.  There were white sheets lining the hallway, walls, floor and ceiling,  from the door to a small room where he  took an x-ray and said my son had cancer and we should get him to the hospital in G.I. ASAP.  I drove down HiWy 30 at over 100 mph.  The Dr. in G.I. looked at the x-rays and agreed but told us to  take him to Omaha. I flew him to Omaha.  The  Dr at the  hospital there took painful  biopsies several times over the next year before announcing that he didn't have cancer but  had chronic  hep C.   We watched his E-ant slowly decline for a decade before they returned to normal.  The nurse who worked for the doctor who gave the Penicillin shot, when his wife wasn't there,  was a former student of mine and called to tell me about the glass syringe stuff, and how my son and I got the hep C.  I didn't sue him but it was enough that he gave up his license voluntarily when the news got out.

Most of my life I have needed glasses.  With strabismus I needed prismatic lens. Because I had  to be at 10 feet to read what others could read at 50 feet my  lens were thick.  In the summer I often taped the bridge  to my forehead to keep the glasses on my nose.  When featherlite plastic lens with silicon pads came along I was in heaven.  Then I saw a Lasik eye surgery ad and decided to check it out.  After that surgery I had 20/20 in one eye and 20/30 in another, with no strabismus.    I can drive without glasses, and shoot as well.   I was having some cloudy vision a lot of floating bodies and went to an opthamologist.  He said I was in the first stages of a cataract and scheduled a surgery.   When I got home I decided to investigate cataract surgery.  I learned that  before they replace a lens they take measurements and calculate the diopter of the replacement lens.  I also learned that they cannot reliably repair cataracts in  patients  that have had Lasik surgery because the conjunctiva is usually too thin, and  stretching of the thin conjunctiva renders useless any pre-calculations.   I canceled my appointment.  I also learned that the doctor who pioneered Lasik surgery is now the leading opponent to Lasik surgery.  So, what do I do about the cataract?  I did some more research and found that a Russian PhD biochemist developed N-acetylcarnosine, which dissolves cataracts.  I got some and gave  it a try.  It worked, but it's not approved for use in the US.  Imagine that.  It also reduced the floating bodies I was having, or maybe they just settled out or got re-absorbed.

My  wife is alive today because of the DaVinci Surgical Robot and a very talented Dr. Ed Rains.  He's left Lincoln and Brian has stopped using the robot, but my wife is alive and well  with a cow valve that is supposed to last at least another 15 years.  And she doesn't have a big scare down her sternum nor a lot of painful memories.

I have several other medical episodes that I could relate, about both me and my wife, but this msg is long enough.  I hope you understand why I am cynical about many doctors in the medical profession in general.  If I left the impression that the only good doctors are the expensive ones then I apologize, because that wasn't my intention.
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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2013, 12:49:36 PM »
Okay, so you have had some bad experiences, so ALL OF US are bad.  Great viewpoint.

I, too, have had bad medical experiences, but realize that it is the PERSON, not the PROFESSION that is bad.  It is similar to BLAMING the GUN when someone shoots a bunch of school-children. 

I have had some very bad LEO experiences, but I know that the experience was the officer, not the profession. 

Yes, I get upset when someone makes blanket comments about my profession.  I have that right.  Just as you have the right to say the derogatory comments you make.  What I ask is this:  do not lump us all together in one bad pot.  Some of us are here to help people.  We have sacrificed YEARS of education and >$100K in tuition to do what we do.  We get paid what suits think we should get paid and have to accept that as reimbursement.  My student loans are lofty and will take 30 years to pay off. 

Your tag line is hypocritical to your post on here. 

I'm done with this discussion.

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Re: Cop In Hurry To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2013, 02:36:03 PM »
Did the police officer see the vehicle, and thought the guy was on a felon sheet?   Did he realize his error after he put his foot in it?

Truck drivers, medical people, all have stress, but they are not charged with making life and death decisions with a gun, day in and day out.

I would still give this guy the benefit of the doubt, while the investigation takes place.  Off work with pay?  No, if he said he hates short people, or hates white people, or any number of other reasons.  However, if he says he was trying to make a felony stop, assumed the guy was armed, dangerous, and realized in seconds he was wrong, and broke off the arrest, got frightened, and drove off, I think maybe a medical discharge with full benefits is possibly justified. 

Have to wait till the facts come out.

That is what frightens me about my CHP in my wallet.  First thing, no if's, ands or butts, I have to tell a LEO I have a 10mm Glock on me.  What if this LEO has had a bad day, or a bad year?  What if he jerks me out of mt truck and slams me to the ground?  My health is not that of a high school track star.  In a violent take down, I am going to get hurt.  Cuffed behind my back, I will not be able to breathe with a cops knee in my back, so I could be killed.

I am not looking forward to any contact with LEO's in the future, because one never knows.   One video on you tube shows a retired sheriff or 27 years, being taken down hard.  Very hard.  No indication it was going to go down badly.  I assume the retired sheriff thought the officer recognized him, and would show him LEO courtesy.  Did not go down that way.

So if retired sheriffs need to be aftaid to pack a gun, from LEO's, what chance do I have? 
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2013, 07:14:43 PM »
One video on you tube shows a retired sheriff or 27 years, being taken down hard. 

I saw that and followed up on the story, if it is the same one.  The LEO who did the takedown didn't know the retired deputy, but the female LEO who drove by shortly after did, and told the LEO who he was. Eventually the  LEO relented and undid the cuffs and left him a bogus traffic ticket, IIRC,  and drove  off.  News reports later said the sheriff fired the LEO and the  LEO sued, but I haven't read anything else.

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Re: Cop In Hury To Be Supersized At McD
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2013, 08:48:29 PM »
How many people here eat McD?  I used to, till I saw videos showing their food does not spoil, sitting on a shelf, years.   YEARS!

I'm out!
Im sorry, but THAT is what it took for you to realize McDonalds food is unhealthy? Seriously?!

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