This scares the crap out of me...

[CliffD]

A planned, organized march, guns loaded into Washington D.C. on July 4th. Some of the comments I've been reading are starting to become pretty fanatical. At a time when we have States stepping up to take Gun Control back under their jurisdiction, this group is taking it upon themselves to violate a local community's own laws. We can't have it both ways.

Don't get me wrong, I respect their right to protest, but leave the guns at home. This is NOT what we are about:

Re: Washington Police Will Arrest All Armed Protesters At The July 4th Protest
On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

There's a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.

You are welcome to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device. We especially invite law enforcement officers to stand with us armed however they feel is appropriate. If any law enforcement officers would like to volunteer in any way, please email adam@adamvstheman.com

If this page gets to 10,000 attendees by June 1st, & we have the critical mass necessary to pull this off, (1,000 actual attendees) we will march. Please spread the word, share this event, & invite all your friends.

If law enforcement policy for the public space in front of the National Cemetery prevents open carry there, we will rally at the next closest area where we can legally open carry.

UPDATE 130506 Now that it's undeniable that this is going to happen, allow me to make clear how. There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event. I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Failing to provide that commitment to safety, we will either be informed that we will only be allowed up to a certain point where we would be arrested. If this is the case, we will approach that point as a group and if necessary, I will procede to volunteer myself to determine what their actual course of action with someone crossing the line will be at which point fellow marchers will have the choice of joining me one at a time in a peaceful, orderly manner, or turning back to the National Cemetery.

They are claiming to have over 2,000 signed up to participate already.

https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/?ref=3

[gsd]

This will not end well.

[GreyGeek]

It won't be Union Creek, and the police and National Guard, probably augmented by US Military and armored vehicles, will open fire if a shot is fired.  All it takes is some mentally ill person on SSRIs, or a  provocateur,  to conceal a weapon and shoot off a round, or worse yet, snipe from a distant building and kill an officer.

This action is untimely and unwarranted.  The ballot box is still a better tool than the ammo box.

[unfy]

This won't be good no matter how you slice it.

A nervous attendee.

A nervous LEO.

A nervous guardsman.

A drunk idiot.

An idiot on either side looking for a scene.

Conspiracy fodder stuff.

An idiot in general from either side or even outside.


The only thing this serves is to make folks nervous.

A group of a 1000 armed men and women organised into a peaceful march is still a LARGE organised group of armed folks.

If NK or SK moved 1,000 peaceful armed guards towards their border, it wouldn't be cool and be considered provocative.

[Gary]

Loaded guns in a public protest in Washington DC?  Cut It Out!  These one thousand or so misguided souls are going to bring about change for all of us. 

[bkoenig]

Idiots.  You can pretty much guarantee some anti-gun nutjob posing as a marcher will open fire to provoke an armed response.

[wusker]

Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.

[Gary]

Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.

I am not expressing hate, I am expressing my doubts this will go well. 

[Gumby]

I like wusker's spunk, but the leader of this "event" - Adam Kokesh - is a hairball:  http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/10/adam-kokesh-an-anti-war-smear-merchant-in-republican-clothing/

If Uncle Ted issues the call for, say, a 2-Million Man Long-Gun March then I'm gone ... but not with this attention-seeking punk.

[CliffD]

Don't get me wrong, I do admire their courage. But this cannot help but be a tragedy in the making. In a couple of the forums where people are discussing this, many of the comments (that are removed shortly after they've been posted) are already claiming what they will do if there's any sign of stopping the protest. One kid even said "I've been training for this my whole life". Another said that he intends to bring his kids and that others should also..."They surely won't fire into a crowd of kids". Other comments include threats against certain members of our Government that I won't list here.

I've asked the more volatile protestors what have they done to support 2A so far, prior to joining this march? Are they NRA members? How many letters have they written their Senators? How much money have they donated to support legitimate 2A organizations? I have yet to get a reply from anyone...

I agree with an organized protest, they actually have the potential to do a lot of good...but not while carrying loaded guns. It would be different if you could control the group you've organized. Right now, in my opinion, the Pro-2A gun groups have the full support of the local law enforcement agencies and our military. Arrogantly breaking the law in large numbers and having something go very wrong is going to force everyone to play their hand and we could be looking at losing everything.

As I told them, there is a lot more to the Constitution than just the 2A. If they used the entire document as diligently as they do the Second Amendment,  they could accomplish a lot more a lot faster. We have procedures set in place to remove current Government officials peacefully. As these protestors bash me for "sitting on the couch" while they march, I ask them where have they been sitting while I've been legally pursuing changes?

[CitizenClark]

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[GreyGeek]

He is a market anarchist who wants to abolish the state.

That much is obvious from my searches on his activities.   But, I believe he is more Left than "Anarchist", if not an outright Marxist mole.   This "march" will do nothing in support of the 2nd Amendment except to solidify support AGAINST it by those who were fence riding or undecided.   It will give the Left a LOAD of fodder for their propaganda mill and will be used by them to paint EVERYONE who advocates freeing the 2A as "nutjobs".

[CitizenClark]

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[wusker]

Interesting I will have to get online tonight and see what I can find on this guy for myself, Like I said I take people at their word until they show me different. If this guy is as wacky as you are all saying and the comments from those planning are attending are acted on this would could be a mess

[GreyGeek]

libertarian anarchist in the Rothbardian tradition.

LSM advocates often hide behind that anarchist tradition because they have been advocating armed revolution for as long as I've been reading about them.  Saul Alinksy and his buddy, while they were in Chicago, would drive out into the country and practice with their pistols as preparation for the revolution they thought was quickly coming.  Especially when the Left captured the Democrat party at their Chicago convention in 1968.

[unfy]

Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.

Yup, I think the comparison stands.

How would you feel if there were a 1000 armed protesters on your front lawn ?

How would you feel about a 1000 armed individuals moving in an organised fashion near your political capital ?


Don't get me wrong, I like the concept in its idealogical form.

But it won't turn out that way.

a) although the organizers want everything to go peaceful, some idiot(s) can royally **** that up

b) folks are already talking about violent responses to LEO resistance (ie: move along, dont come this way, etc)

c) someone who has opposite views could easily take this march and turn it even slightly ugly ... which the media and other b.s. will jump all over and flip the purpose of the march on it's head.  what percentage of shootings are done by 'leftist' folks instead of 'right extremists' ? mmm ?

d) tin foil hat conspiracy folks comments go here

So I'll repeat, I admire the idealogy but I don't see ANY chance that it'll turn out like the organizers intend it to.

[CitizenClark]

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[CitizenClark]

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[00BUCK]

Conflicted. The $&!+ is gonna hit the fan sooner or later, of that I am 100% certain. Law abiding citizens that have had enough of the law. Maybe this is the start.