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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: Mudinyeri on March 18, 2014, 01:29:57 PM
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With all apologies to Bill & Ted ... I humbly submit my Wylde Stallyn build ... based on the .223 Wylde chamber.
Wyld Stallyns!
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/41172767/Wyld+Stallyns+wyldstallyns.jpg)
Because a man can never have too many AR's and because I have a couple stripped lowers and LPK's sitting in my safe and because you never know when you'll need to whack a coyote ... the Wylde Stallyn project has begun.
Build Specs
Lower: PSA
LPK: PSA Classic
Trigger: TBD Geissele SSA-E
Upper: PSA A3
BCG: Ares Armor NiB Full Auto
Charging Handle: BCM Gunfighter, Medium
Optics: Primary Arms 6X BDC Reticle
Stock: Magpul PRS LUTH-AR
Bipod: Harris S-LM
Barrel: Integrity Arms 16" Twist Fluted HBAR, 1:8 twist, Wylde Chamber (hence the title of the thread) http://www.customar15.net/shop/barrels/16-budget-1-8-hbar-barrel-wylde-fluted/ (http://www.customar15.net/shop/barrels/16-budget-1-8-hbar-barrel-wylde-fluted/)
Pic of the barrel ...
(http://www.customar15.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Twist-Flute-800x581.jpg)
Feel free to chime in with thoughts - especially on parts TBD.
For those unfamiliar with the .223 Wylde chamber ...
The .223 Wylde is a proprietary rifle cartridge chamber with the external dimensions and lead angle as found in the military 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge and the 0.2240 inch freebore diameter as found in the civilian SAAMI .223 Remington cartridge. Rifles with a .223 Wylde chamber will typically accept both .223 Remington and externally slightly larger 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition.
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So Coyote gun? What range?
Trigger... Any price limits?
What hand guard are you running?
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Range: Probably out to about 300 yards
Trigger: No specific limits but I try to build "value" rifles (the barrel on this rifle, for example, is not stainless steel)
Hand Guard: TBD - want sling mount or sling mount capable
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Ok do you want two stage or a single stage trigger?
Nikon P223 3x9
Geissele G2S
And I my personal preference is I like 13" Smooth rails... I have a Troy Alpha and I have shoot MI rails. Also I might catch some grief on this but the UTG PRO Supper Slim Rail is getting decent review....
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/628539_Opinions_on_UTG_PRO_AR15_Mid_Length_9_Super_Slim_Free_Float_Handguard___.html (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/628539_Opinions_on_UTG_PRO_AR15_Mid_Length_9_Super_Slim_Free_Float_Handguard___.html)
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Probably a single stage trigger. Externally adjustable would be nice. Not sure if such an animal exists in the AR world.
Optics, I really like my SWFA for the money. I'm giving Vortex a try on my current .308 bolt build.
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I really like the Samson Evolution handguard I put on my last build. It's lightweight and modular, just add the rails you need and nothing else.
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Single Stage.... 4.5# pull
http://tacfirecon.com/ (http://tacfirecon.com/)
:laugh:
But on a serious note...
I can't say I have seen a adjustable single stage. I have seen a mod using a set screw though the pistol grip hole to take care of creep on a GI trigger. I have never tried it or have read much on reviews of it. ALG makes a tuned up trigger for $65ish.
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I really like the Samson Evolution handguard I put on my last build. It's lightweight and modular, just add the rails you need and nothing else.
Sounds like a good option.
tstuart, that ALG trigger sounds pretty reasonable.
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I have a 223 wylde chamber on a 24 inch schleen barreled AR-15. its on a cmmg heavy upper, its thicker than normal with no door or foreward assist, when I bought the barrel, the bolt came with it, so it is headspaced right, you can use any ar bolt, but it will only be close to being right
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I have a 223 wylde chamber on a 24 inch schleen barreled AR-15. its on a cmmg heavy upper, its thicker than normal with no door or foreward assist, when I bought the barrel, the bolt came with it, so it is headspaced right, you can use any ar bolt, but it will only be close to being right
That's kind of what I was thinking but others have said that any BCG will do.
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it will work, but it not perfect
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You can buy bolts that are matched to a specific barrel so that your headspace is perfect, but the actual bolts for a .223 Wylde, .223 Remington, and 5.56 Nato are all the same specs.
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I have seen a mod using a set screw though the pistol grip hole to take care of creep on a GI trigger
I do this on all my single stage triggers and I shoot for 4lbs. I also use an RRA 2 stage on my scoped 18" varmint rifle.
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I do this on all my single stage triggers and I shoot for 4lbs. I also use an RRA 2 stage on my scoped 18" varmint rifle.
Are you cutting and bending the springs also?
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Are you cutting and bending the springs also?
Yes and No... I had a few hard primers in M193 surplus ammo fail to ignite with light springs until I bobbed the hammers. Right now my Home Defense rifle has a standard spring set, but my spare rifle has a cut hammer spring ( 2 is one, one is none ;) )
I do some work with the sear to reduce the friction and the travel required for the trigger to break. It is not something I recommend anyone try on their own because of the possible liabilities, so I am not going to spell them out.
All this talk has me wanting to build another rifle 8)
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I really like the Samson Evolution handguard I put on my last build. It's lightweight and modular, just add the rails you need and nothing else.
This. Midwest Industries is also another good option, my AR pistol (eventual SBR) has an MI Gen2 SS that I love. Extremely narrow profile, and mod-able for rails or sling swivels.
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This. Midwest Industries is also another good option, my AR pistol (eventual SBR) has an MI Gen2 SS that I love. Extremely narrow profile, and mod-able for rails or sling swivels.
MI also has a new Keymod if you like that type of stuff. My dad just put one on his blackout build. Looks nice but it I can see it being hard on fingers without gloves or rail sections...
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/20140309_214534_2.jpg)
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Yes and No... I had a few hard primers in M193 surplus ammo fail to ignite with light springs until I bobbed the hammers. Right now my Home Defense rifle has a standard spring set, but my spare rifle has a cut hammer spring ( 2 is one, one is none ;) )
I do some work with the sear to reduce the friction and the travel required for the trigger to break. It is not something I recommend anyone try on their own because of the possible liabilities, so I am not going to spell them out.
All this talk has me wanting to build another rifle 8)
Some one posted a link on here that recommend lapping the trigger in. I thought that was a good idea. Polishing instead of removing material. I know polishing removes material but on a much smaller bases. Then since I have things apart I think I will try just the set screw first. Then springs and then bobbing the hammer. I might try and find a extra hammer this weekend in Crete so I can bobb it and take it out to the range and try a full hammer and a lightened hammer out.
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(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/misc-stuff-sale/1246401d1394728148-ar-upper-310-20140313_114615.jpg)
Verifforce Tactical FF hand guard.
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Does the name of this thread mean you're a Brony?
Is there something you need to tell us?
:o
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MI also has a new Keymod if you like that type of stuff. My dad just put one on his blackout build. Looks nice but it I can see it being hard on fingers without gloves or rail sections...
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/20140309_214534_2.jpg)
that key mod always looked like the poles on pallet racking to me,
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that key mod always looked like the poles on pallet racking to me,
Same concept...
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Does the name of this thread mean you're a Brony?
Is there something you need to tell us?
:o
Bill & Ted far pre-date "Bronyism".
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I'm git a chuckle outta the thread title since my CB Handle (you'll have to Google it young grasshoppers) Back in the day was Wyld Stalyun. And, why yes, I do still have the County Fair Hand Painted Custom Front License Plate to prove it. (If ya ain't a Great Plains Hillbilly, ya ain't gonna understand)
But, I AM following along as I may just have to build me one of these, ya know for old times' sake and all.
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This has been collecting dust for a while. I've been too stinkin' busy working and training for the 24 Hour Sniper Adventure Challenge to do much with it, but I did order a LUTH-AR buttstock and A2 tube, spring and buffer today.
If you're not familiar with the LUTH-AR stock, it seems to be the up-and-coming, lightweight contender to take out the Magpul PRS. Here's a pic.
(http://www.tacticalworks.com/images/D/Luth-AR%20stock%20mdw%20600x400.jpg)
I think I've decided on a Geissele SSA-E trigger. Optics decision up next.
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This has been collecting dust for a while. I've been too stinkin' busy working and training for the 24 Hour Sniper Adventure Challenge to do much with it, but I did order a LUTH-AR buttstock and A2 tube, spring and buffer today.
If you're not familiar with the LUTH-AR stock, it seems to be the up-and-coming, lightweight contender to take out the Magpul PRS. Here's a pic.
(http://www.tacticalworks.com/images/D/Luth-AR%20stock%20mdw%20600x400.jpg)
I think I've decided on a Geissele SSA-E trigger. Optics decision up next.
Cool, I've been looking at that stock. They're getting pretty popular with 3 gun shooters.
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I've talked to a couple guys who are shooting them and they really like the fit, finish, quality and weight.
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LUTH-AR stock showed up today ...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/0524141826_zpscburkwd7.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/0524141826a_zpscwpbcymq.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/0524141826b_zpswod7x3i7.jpg)
Did a little test fitting ...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/0524141833_zpsnu5m5pp8.jpg)
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That stock looks good.
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That stock looks good.
Very light. Quality appears to be excellent. A great alternative to Magpul's PRS.
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The Wylde Stallion is complete! Specs updated in the original post.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-12/1207141707a_zpslfx9nr1t.jpg)
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MI also has a new Keymod if you like that type of stuff. My dad just put one on his blackout build. Looks nice but it I can see it being hard on fingers without gloves or rail sections...
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/20140309_214534_2.jpg)
it still looks like pallet racking to me!
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I got a competition Colt AR chambered in .223 Wylde for $699 from CDNN a few months back. Seems to be a decent rifle as you would expect from Colt. Except that it has no dust cover and no way to put one on without replacing the upper receiver.
http://www.cdnnsports.com/colt-csr-1516-5-56-16-mid-wt-bbl-free-float-1-30.html#.VI88JGM5CUk (http://www.cdnnsports.com/colt-csr-1516-5-56-16-mid-wt-bbl-free-float-1-30.html#.VI88JGM5CUk)
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Except that it has no dust cover and no way to put one on without replacing the upper receiver.
Typical of the "sporter" genre, no forward assist and no ejection port cover.
I eliminated the forward assist on my latest build and just used a Schuster FA plug in the hole
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I don't think I've ever used my forward assist, but I tell myself it's nice to have JIC.
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Round doesn't go into the chamber? Just mash it in there harder. Makes sense.
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The Stallyn is going through some changes: Diamondhead 10.25" hand guard, Liberty Torch QA suppressor, ACOG ...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_0484_zpstjf9p6z9.jpg)