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General Categories => Laws and Legislation => Topic started by: Rifleman on May 13, 2009, 12:59:58 PM
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Now that LB430 has passed with a resounding landslide, perhaps it is time to start discussing a "castle law" for Nebraska.
I mentioned this in my congratulatory note to my senator, who is, fortunately, a proponent of 2A issues.
What does everyone think? Is it time?
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I am a huge advocate for a Castle Doctrine law in Nebraska. The "duty to retreat" should apply ONLY to the bad guy intending to do me or my loved ones harm. This includes protection of my property, car jacking etc. I firmly believe it is high time that we Nebraskans make being a criminal a VERY dangerous occupation. My apprecation goes out to the NFOA board of directors for their hard work in keeping us informed and for their testimonies on this and other firearm related bills. I believe it is time for us to get together and celebrate this victory for Nebraska gun owners. I was a little dismayed to see Brenda missing , maybe it was time for a mustache wax. Oh well.
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I couldn't agree more, ranger04, that "making being a criminal a dangerous occupation" is a priority, and should be the priority of any truly civilized society? our friends in the UK notwithstanding. We've already seen declines in crime as a result of expanded CCW laws. I can't believe that the same phenomenon is not occurring in states that have adopted Castle Doctrines.
Are there any organized efforts to promote a Castle Doctrine in Nebraska?
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Yes,it is time for a castle law here in Nebraska. My Senator Gwen Howard is anti-gun so far up the bleep that,you cannot call her a rino,just a procriminal supporter like Brenda Council and her cohort the former Senator Ernie Chambers. rich17z@cox.net
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Here's a site with information about the various states' Castle Laws...
http://www.protectedbythecastlelaw.com/
It lists 27 states with some form of Castle Doctrine. This is clearly a movement that I think NE should join.
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I would fully agree, i would be willing to try and type up some sort of proposal to see if any senators would be willing to get the ball rolling.
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I've already contacted my senator about this. Yet to hear back from him.
Considering the landslide outcome of LB430, I think this is doable. We would also have the momentum of other states on our side. Wouldn't it be great if by the end of the next session NE had a Castle Doctrine that compared favorably to Texas's or Florida's?
It would also provide an excellent opportunity to hold to the fire the feet of those senators who oppose the rights of Nebraskans to be armed or to defend themselves and their families. Make them tell the public why they don't trust their constituents. It's all to the good, I say.
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I'd say that as soon as this session is over would be a great time to start contacting our senators about this, AND a resolution reaffirming Nebraska's rights as spelled out in the 10th amendment.
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I'm 100% in agreement with FarmerRick on both points. State's rights and individuals' rights, both have been trampled on for far too long.
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Let's keep the focus on this session for now. LB 503 is up next and we need to make sure it gets through. Right now, with the death penalty debate looming, my guess is that most Senators won't be paying much attention to issues that are not on the agenda this session.
But, I certainly agree that the arguments can be honed for pushing these issues after the session ends and in preparation for 2010
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If everyone has not taken the time to do so, please take the time to thank your Senator (if they were a YES vote) for passing LB 430. After the session is over and the Senator have had a little break, NFOA will need to align priorities to approach Senators with for next session.
I know based on our initial survey early on (formation of NFOA) Castle Doctrine was at the top of the wish list
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LEGISLATIVE BILL 430.
A BILL FOR AN ACT relating to firearms; to amend sections 15-255,
16-227, 17-556, 28-1201, 28-1204.03, and 28-1204.04, Reissue Revised
Statutes of Nebraska, and sections 14-102, 69-2427, 69-2430, 69-2433, and
69-2441, Revised Statutes Cumulative Supplement, 2008; to limit the power
of cities and villages to regulate the ownership, possession, or transportation
of concealed handguns; to change provisions relating to possession of a
firearm at school as defined; to change concealed handgun permit issuance
provisions; to provide a residency exception for members of the United
States Armed Forces with respect to concealed handgun permits; to
authorize security personnel to carry concealed handguns in places of
worship as prescribed; to provide for concealed handgun permit reciprocity;
to harmonize provisions; and to repeal the original sections.
SEVENTY-EIGHTH DAY - MAY 13, 2009 1459
Whereupon the President stated: "All provisions of law relative to procedure
having been complied with, the question is, 'Shall the bill pass?' "
Voting in the affirmative, 45:
Adams Fischer Hansen Louden Price Ashford Flood Harms McCoy Rogert Avery Friend Heidemann Mello Schilz
Carlson Fulton Howard Nantkes Stuthman Christensen Gay Janssen Nelson Sullivan Coash Giese Karpisek Nordquist Utter Cornett Gloor Langemeier Pahls Wallman Dierks Haar Lathrop Pankonin White Dubas Hadley Lautenbaugh Pirsch Wightman
Voting in the negative, 3:
Campbell Cook McGill
Excused and not voting, 1:
Council
A constitutional majority having voted in the affirmative, the bill was
declared passed and the title agreed to.
SPEAKER SIGNED
While the Legislature was in session and capable of transacting business, the
Speaker signed the following: LBs 545, 545A, 198, 198A, and 430.
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Howard voted YES??????????????????????/
Strange
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Howard voted YES??????????????????????/
Strange
It's all politics. Remember the bill they gutted to add hospitals to the no-carry list? Wasn't there overwhelming support for that one too?
Howard probably has a pet bill of her own she wants passed and this is just a favor for someone.
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sonuva... Campbell actually calls herself a republican... this means war.
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I'll plan to write and email my state senator in support of the Castle Law in the next session.
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If NFOA decides to push for a castle law next session I'll be all over my senator about it.
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Rest assured this will be a topic of high discussion.
Senators who may be supportive will be spoken to.
Here is a good read on the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine
http://tekel.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/castle-doctrine-map-update-for-january-2009/
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I had many new sign-up members express their desire to implement a "Castle Doctrine" at the last gun show in Fremont. Another concern was the high cost of getting a concealed carry permit. When talking to new sign-ups at the last show, the Castle Doctrine was the most popular idea they had, followed closely by the 10th amendment declaration. These I believe should be our main objective next session.
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LitlRat, I like to look at the cost of a CCW like this... $150 in fees for 10 years if renewed before it expires at 5 years.
$15 bucks a year is the cheapest of all the gun clubs, associations ,and gun related donations I make every year without a thought. Hell I spend that much for admission to gun shows each year.
Another $125 for the minimum level of training and a certificate for 10 years.
Now I am up to 27.50 a year over 10 years. I could spend that much for a meal some days
I won't count the cost of firearms and ammo. That would be the same CHP or no
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Hey Dan, while I see where you are coming from the very idea of having to pay for my RIGHTS I find unacceptable. I do not have a conceal carry permit yet mainly due to the high cost that one must come up with all at once. Ya know allot of us have kids and bills but still wish to be able conceal carry but due to other bills that need paid first conceal carry has to be put on the back burner unfortunatly.
I just don't believe our founders put a price tag on our rights. I don't pay a fee to speak my mind or protest my government. So why do I have to for my right to keep and bear arms for protection??
Just my thoughts ;D
Time for Castle and a 10th Amendment soverenty declaration to the Feds.
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As with any thing or license you buy, those who are serious about having it will find the money, and they know it. A $200 tax stamp for a NFA item? Ridiculous. $50k for a Corvette? Assinine.
It may not hurt to try to get the cost reduced. Hunting and fishing permits are reduced and free to vets and retired people, why not concealed permits? And no, I am not a vet, just an idea I have to say thanks to those who have served.
I will have the permit when I find time to take the course. Until then, I'll do as I have for the last 20 years.
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I'm serious about getting it, however the price prevents me from taking food from families mouth.
There needs to be a reduction in the price so more can obtain conceal carry.
My opinion.
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I'm serious about getting it, however the price prevents me from taking food from families mouth.
There needs to be a reduction in the price so more can obtain conceal carry.
My opinion.
I am in total agreement with you. Why should self protection just be for those who can easily afford it? Seems this should be a priority for us soon.
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There is always the ability to carry under the affirmative defense clause of 28-1202. No permit or training class necessary. Less restrictions to you also. Only down side is if you have to use it, you will likely have to prove your justification..... But for some that is a fair bridge to cross WHEN the time comes.
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I might have been misunderstod a bit. I think that training is important and anyone running the class should be able to make good money. However when it comes to the state or the Federal government charging me a fee to "keep and bear arms" I am opposed 150%.
Why is it that the Douglas County Sheriffs office can give me a permit to buy a handgun for $5.00 and give it to me in a matter of minutes but the State charges $100.00 or whatever it is and it takes 3+ weeks as I understand it. Sorry but this makes no sence to me.
The government has NO right to charge me any fee to exersice my rights.
Explain this to me please.
Getting back to the castle Doctrine..... Let's go after this along with changes to the fees charged by the state and pushing for a 10th amendment statement to Obama and the Feds. It seems we have a Legislature that could be friendly to all of these issues.
DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!
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huskergun,I took my class for the ccw permit in Bruno,Ne under the instruction of retired State Patrol officer Mark Bohaty. It cost me only $80.00 for the one day class and he and his wife are ffl dealers and have a nice small range in back of their shop. Look it up on the internet and give Mark a call. Thanks,Rich@rich17z@cox.net,Omaha,Ne.