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General Categories => Carry Issues => Topic started by: mustang5o on February 17, 2010, 10:35:20 AM
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On 02/13/2010 DanW posted this
http://www.nebraskafirepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=1822.0
I had just recently been investigating this subject and looked at this (dated 01/18/2010)
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf
Did we really gain 3 states in less than a month? Also, didn't we used to have Wyoming?
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Didn't I also read somewhere that North Carolina also honored the Nebraska permit?
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Wyoming has never accepted Nebraska permits
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Wyoming has never accepted Nebraska permits
Guess I remembered wrong. I figured Wyoming would be surprised if you didn't carry a gun :)
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To be honest, you are probably right. A Wyoming Highway Patrolman I talked to said he really didn't care as long as you had a permit from somewhere. He wasn't speaking for all of them though. If thier new legislation becomes law no permit will be needed anyhow.
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To be honest, you are probably right. A Wyoming Highway Patrolman I talked to said he really didn't care as long as you had a permit from somewhere. He wasn't speaking for all of them though. If thier new legislation becomes law no permit will be needed anyhow.
...and then what happens when they visit Nebraska? They probably could not carry here, legally(except under Affirmative Defense).
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That will be the downside for them. No reciprocity except for AK and VT.
Fly
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That is the downside to Vermont. They have no reciprocity to trade...AK does still have a permit system if you want to get one for the ability to carry in other states.
Until all the states go the way of Vermont and Alaska, state permits and the ability to carry outside my home states borders make the permit valuable to me.
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Wyoming accepts the Florida permit. I spoke w/ the Wyoming DCI last month about Nebraska permits, they said that the Attorney General will be reconsidering reciprocity after this legislative session, but wants to wait due to some legislation that may be offered up during the session- he didn't offer what the legislation was.
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AAllen,
The Attorney Generals office from North Carolina finally returned my call this morning. All they are waiting for to recoginize Nebraska is for the "official letter" from our state saying we recognize NC. They were in contact 2 days ago with Nebraska, so it should not be too much longer before NC recognizes our permit.
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Thanks for the update, as well as your efforts on this.
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Does anyone know where we are with South Carolina? Are we talking with them at all? North Carolina would be good too :D
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Yes, South Carolina has been contacted officially (or it is in process). Depending on how quickly they respond to the request from our state officials, it should happen soon
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Wyoming recognizes a Utah permit as well.
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Wyoming recognizes a Utah permit as well.
Which is why when my NH permit expires I'm planning to add Utah. Not just for Wyoming but others as well. Unless of course Nebraska ends up with enough reciprocity for me not to worry about it by then.
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http://www.ncdoj.gov/About-DOJ/Law-Enforcement-Training-and-Standards/Law-Enforcement-Liason/Concealed-Weapon-Reciprocity.aspx
North Carolina is now good to go with Nebraska!
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In regard to Wyoming: They have just passed and signed a new bill into law. It changes the way Wyoming handles reciprocity.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=5538
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Very nice, I have occasion to go to Wyoming now days and lived there for nearly 10 years. Good to hear that they will recognize my permit.
Ron
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It looks like SC has not done anything since September, 2008: http://www.sled.sc.gov/Reciprocity1.aspx?MenuID=CWP
I will be traveling there in April and really hope things change before I go :-)
Wilson
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I wish you luck Wilson. April is right around the corner.
Has anyone approached SC? I know several members approached various states, but I don't know if anyone contacted SC?
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I wish you luck Wilson. April is right around the corner.
Has anyone approached SC? I know several members approached various states, but I don't know if anyone contacted SC?
Yes the Nebraska AG's office has contacted SC asking to honor our permit. It just takes time, not a priority for a lot of states. Remember everyone doesn't have an awesome Attorney General like we do :-)
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I have a question related to the Wyoming change.
The NRAILA.org article says that it is effective immediately. That's great. But I followed the link to read the bill. At the very end it says "Section 2. This act is effective July 1, 2010."
What makes it effective immediately rather than July 1st?
Rod
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I would trust the bill, and guess that the NRA made a typo
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Yes, best not to take chances. But the entire state has been an open carry state for decades, I use to OC there when I lived there in the 90's.
Ron
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I have been in contact with Ohio and Minnesota requesting information on reciprocity.
Minnesota does their annual review in June.
Ohio told me they have been trying to get a reciprocal agreement with Nebraska but have not been able to find anyone with that authority. From Dan's efforts in working with Colorado I found information here on the forum about the Governor being the only one with authority to execute an agreement. I just had a conversation with Robert Bell in the Governor's office and gave him the contact information for Ohio and some background information. He assured me that he will make contact and that they want to get an agreement in place. I also gave his contact information to the Ohio AG contact I was working with. So hopefully we can see another state added in a few weeks.
Rod
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Great job!! Thanks for your work on this. ;D
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RLM5150------
Really 'preciate your initiative on this reciprocity item.
sfg
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Wyoming just responded to the email I sent them. Their response is on top and my initial email follows below their response. This makes it clear for us! ;D
Dear Mr. Metz,
You are reading the statute correctly. During the last session of the Wyoming Legislature, the Concealed Firearm Permit statute was amended as provided in your message. The statute was effective immediately, essentially upon the Governor?s signature which occurred in March 2010.
We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your inquiry and hope you enjoy visiting wonderful Wyoming.
Sincerely,
Kevin R. Smith
Deputy Director, CJIS
Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:42 AM
To: dciwebmaster
Subject: Concealed Carry Question - Verification
Since Nebraska recognizes Wyoming Concealed Carry Permits, does the (iii) mean we in Nebraska with Concealed Handgun Permits can carry in Wyoming?
I just want to be sure I am not misreading this.
6-8-104. Wearing or carrying concealed weapons; penalties; exceptions; permits.
(a) A person who wears or carries a concealed deadly weapon is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, unless:
(i) The person is a peace officer;
(ii) The person possesses a permit under this section; or
(iii) The person holds a valid permit authorizing him to carry a concealed firearm authorized and issued by a governmental agency or entity in another state that recognizes Wyoming permits and is a valid statewide permit
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Great job Wilson,
Thank You!
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Thanks for doing that Wilson. Could you send www.handgunlaw.us an email with this officials contact information so they can update this on their website?
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I emailed Handgun Law at admins@handgunlaw.us and received the response below. They wait for accurate information which is a good thing. It also tells me to go to the source ie the state of Wyoming, for the quickest information since it may take awhile to show up on Handgun Law website. They do appreciate our input though :)
The response:
Wilson, Yes WY just changed their law. They will honor any state that honors theirs. There are 4 states they will add. I was waiting for them to make it official on their website as this is what many LEO's would go by if they stopped someone with an out of state permit.
But thanks for the heads up. Do send along anything you think would be of interest to handgunlaw.us. I can't see everything. Stay safe, Gary Slider
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Thanks for doing that Wilson. It's good to keep communicating with websites that update state laws.
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In regard to Wyoming: They have just passed and signed a new bill into law. It changes the way Wyoming handles reciprocity.
http://attorneygeneral.state.wy.us/dci/pdf/CWP.pdf
Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation Concealed Firearm Permits
The Wyoming concealed firearm permit statute (revised effective March 2010) provides that Wyoming will honor permits from other states, and issue Wyoming permits to holders of permits from other states, if:
1. the other state recognizes Wyoming permits; and
2. the permit from the other state is valid statewide.
Under our current law, if you a permit holder from another state, if your permit is valid statewide and your State recognizes (or honors) Wyoming permits, you can carry a concealed firearm in Wyoming.
The current statute has resulted in a formal confirmation process with other states. Once the Division confirms which other States? permit Wyoming honors or has reciprocity, those states are listed below for convenience only. However, this listing has no legal effect. If your State is not presently listed, you may also check with your own State?s regulatory agency.
Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Colorado Florida
Idaho Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine
Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska
New Mexico North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania
South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia
It is the sole responsibility for all concealed firearm permit holders to be aware of the requirements and laws of all states*. The permit issued by your state does not supersede any other state?s laws or regulations. Legal conduct in your state may not be legal in the state you are visiting.
For permit qualifications or additional information please click on the links below:
? Frequently Asked Questions
? Wyoming Concealed Firearms Permit Statute Revised 3/5/10
Wyoming permit holders who plan to visit another state and who also plan to carry a concealed firearm while visiting that state, are urged to contact that state before traveling. This will allow Wyoming permit holders to determine all restrictions or prohibitions regarding the carrying of concealed firearms in those states, as well as their laws regarding firearms and weapons in general. Most states have web pages with necessary information.
*State firearms laws and reciprocity agreements are subject to frequent change, and furthermore, are subject to court interpretation. Information contained on this page is not to be considered legal advice. You should always contact an attorney licensed to practice law in your state for any legal advice.
Rev: 04-19-2010
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Ohio now recognizes the Nebraska permit.
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Enforcement/Concealed-Carry/Reciprocity-Agreements
Ohio law gives the Attorney General the right to negotiate concealed carry handgun reciprocity agreements with other states.
Under such agreements, Ohio and other states agree to respect each other's concealed carry laws and recognize each other's permit holders.
In assessing whether to enter a reciprocity agreement, the Attorney General must determine if another state's concealed carry law and requirements are "substantially comparable" to Ohio's.
Ohio has reciprocity agreements with the following states. Click on the state name for more details about the agreement.
Alaska Arizona Arkansas Delaware
Florida Idaho Kentucky Michigan
Missouri Nebraska North Carolina Oklahoma
South Carolina Tennessee Utah Virginia
Washington West Virginia Wyoming
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Great News.
Thanks for posting this update
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I had not been getting a response from New Mexico, but after 4 attempts over the past 2 months I finally got something back. . . .
Sir,
An extensive review of all states is in the works. The states we currently recognize are priority. Any additions to the list that is posted are likely a few months away.
Regards,
Sergeant Suzanne M. Skasik
NMDPS/SID/CCU
(505) 841-8053