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General Categories => Events => Topic started by: Dan W on March 17, 2014, 07:29:19 PM
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Shooters,
The Lincoln Izaak Walton is hosting an event to knock the dust off your AR-15s and shoot some targets at 200 and 300 yards. It is a short 30-round course being held April 6th & May 25th. The cost is $10 each time. You will be shooting at both Metal Silhouettes and Paper targets from the Bench, Sitting, and Prone. The course is designed to be easy enough for beginners to have fun and challenging enough for experienced shooters to try for perfection.
One of the main intents is to gather the multitude of beginning shooters who bought or built an AR-15 and get them comfortable with the idea of "match" shooting. We experienced shooters will be around to offer guidance, talk guns, and rope new shooters into the fold.
You should see this event pop up on Lincoln Ikes website sometime after Tuesday, the 11th. I'm getting a jump on advertising and drumming up excitement. Mike, Chris, and I will be testing targets and working the details of how many shooters we can run at a time. The match should take 1 or 2 hours to shoot for each shooter. If there is great interest we will possibly extend the Challenge through the summer. Share the flyer with anyone you know who ought to be out shooting!
Watch for more information about the match in the March Ike's news letter.
Ben Jochum
~see attached file for the event flyer~
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Sounds fun, might have to give it a try.
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GGotta check the schedule, this just might be a definite maybe.
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Since I don't see sights mentioned at all, I assume any optics qualify????
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Since I don't see sights mentioned at all, I assume any optics qualify????
The attachment says there will be two divisions, iron sights only and any optic
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The attachment says there will be two divisions, iron sights only and any optic
I guess I missed that. I thought I read it completely. Oh well. :)
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Man, I'm gonna have to miss this--the first date is a USPSA match, and the second date I'll be in another state. Drat! This looks like fun!
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just forwarded that attachment to a buddy to see if he'd be interested as well.
The Mrs. and the Baby kind of eat up most of my time though, but I'm really going to try
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GGotta check the schedule, this just might be a definite maybe.
This ladies and gents, is the definitiion of a "waffle" post. :)
I might make it out, provided NFA branch gets me a stamp...I'l feel a bit out of place shooting this with an AR pistol.
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Hmm ... I might have a new AR finished by the May date ....
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I'm planning on trying to attend this at this point. Unless something else comes up I think I'll be there.
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SO it says...
Please limit your caliber and bullet type
so no hushpuppies then?.... :P
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/11971430596_4c8d4dca77_z.jpeg)
On a serious note are they limiting it to 556/223? Is 6.8 allowable?
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Well, it says "Please limit your caliber and bullet type to prevent drilling holes in the metal targets." So 6.8 should be fine. I'm guessing if you show up with some 62gr green tip and punch a hole in the steel you'll be having words with the RO.
I'm going to try to make this, not sure if I can or not. I need to get sighted in for my prairie dog trip this summer so I might as well kill two birds with one stone.
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On a serious note are they limiting it to 556/223? Is 6.8 allowable?
I assume they have that in there so their steel doesn't take a beating. If I get my stamps back in time, I would love to bring a 300blk SBR with a suppressor. Can anyone involved with Ikes comment on allowed calibers? I might have to arc the subsonic rounds like a rainbow, though. :)
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This ladies and gents, is the definitiion of a "waffle" post. :)
I might make it out, provided NFA branch gets me a stamp...I'l feel a bit out of place shooting this with an AR pistol.
You could shoot your Blackout....
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I assume they have that in there so their steel doesn't take a beating. If I get my stamps back in time, I would love to bring a 300blk SBR with a suppressor. Can anyone involved with Ikes comment on allowed calibers? I might have to arc the subsonic rounds like a rainbow, though. :)
So i forgot that i had Bens phone number so i sent him a text and adked him if they had any caliber or ammo restrictictions... his replay was pretty vage but exatly what we were all thinking....
Many. Just don't damage the metal target at 200 yards. It is T1 steel.
Not sure many might be nope...
So like bokenig said nothing steel Penetrating should be good to go...
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how about my H&K 308?
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how about my H&K 308?
I asked Ben and he said he doesn't see a issue with a 308. These targets are usually set up on the 300y range and take 308 hits all the time. The RO concern was the smaller 556 drilling holes in the steel at 200y.
He also asked me to post that the Lake City Green Tip are typically deep penetrating. The way I look at it if a magnet sticks leave it at home!
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if the arfcom people don't have a shoot that day, i will go to this.
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You could shoot your Blackout....
You mean Dick can shoot his Blackout...:)
besides, NFA branch has 2 more weeks before I cancel my Form. That will put it at nearly 5 months for an eFiled form. 1rst of April, I'll replace the 10.5" with a 16". (Yes, i'm an impatient bugger)
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You mean Dick can shoot his Blackout...:)
besides, NFA branch has 2 more weeks before I cancel my Form. That will put it at nearly 5 months for an eFiled form. 1rst of April, I'll replace the 10.5" with a 16". (Yes, i'm an impatient bugger)
I have Hot pink gun you can barrow if you want to throw some glass on it! :laugh:
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Oh I have access to plenty of AR's if i want to shoot one. I just prefer to shoot the ones that I have. Familiarity and all:)
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Well I'm out already. Its baby dedication day at church for my son, and the second date I'll be on a fishing trip with my grandpa. Can't cancel either of those two things
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You mean Dick can shoot his Blackout...:)
besides, NFA branch has 2 more weeks before I cancel my Form. That will put it at nearly 5 months for an eFiled form. 1rst of April, I'll replace the 10.5" with a 16". (Yes, i'm an impatient bugger)
how many days are you at? arfcom is saying around 125 days.
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if the arfcom people don't have a shoot that day, i will go to this.
Let's face it. The HTF will never get together. I'm planning on making this now
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Let's face it. The HTF will never get together. I'm planning on making this now
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That's what I am thinking.... But I think this could be a great place for ARFCOM and NOFA members to come out and shoot together spend a couple hours putting names, SN's, and ugly faces (inside thing) together! :laugh: I just got a new CHEAP scope on my rife so I can try and reach out and hit something... nopefully it can hold a zero... :laugh:
Also I my dad spent Sunday at the Crete gun show with Ben one of the match organizers and he said he was going to join NFOA to answer some questions if there are still any.
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As of right now I plan on attending. Maybe I'll have to get a t-shirt with both my NFOA and Arfcom avatars so people know who I am...
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As of right now I plan on attending. Maybe I'll have to get a t-shirt with both my NFOA and Arfcom avatars so people know who I am...
I was thinking maybe people that were planning on attending could post pictures of there rifles? Sure some will look the same but you could at least say hey that's guy with the 14.5" barrel and troy handgaurd is Tstuart. Yes no maybe?
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I was thinking maybe people that were planning on attending could post pictures of there rifles? Sure some will look the same but you could at least say hey that's guy with the 14.5" barrel and troy handgaurd is Tstuart. Yes no maybe?
i was going to post a pict of my SBR, but i lost it in a boating accident. so i guess i'll just show up and watch. just look for the ugly, slightly overweight fat dude... thats me.
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wait, lets clear something up, you lost the SBR, the picture of the SBR in a boating accident?
one slightly more devastating than the other
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i was going to post a pict of my SBR, but i lost it in a boating accident. so i guess i'll just show up and watch. just look for the ugly, slightly overweight fat dude... thats me.
I was waiting for the boating accident stories.... :-[ So sad. Any chance you were at Sam's yesterday afternoon? Maybe not I have only meet you once... Glad your still going to come out and watch!
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I was waiting for the boating accident stories.... :-[ So sad. Any chance you were at Sam's yesterday afternoon? Maybe not I have only meet you once... Glad your still going to come out and watch!
i was at Sam's. do i have a stalker on my hands?
all kidding aside, i think ill shoot, i just don't know what upper to use.
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Nope no stalker... I have a weird memory when it comes to faces but can't remember names. Took me a while to remember were I knew you from.
You don't want to show off and arc some subs down range?
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Stick a hat on me and I pretty much look just like my NFOA avatar....at least I did until I got Lasik.
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You don't want to show off and arc some subs down range?
I think ill just use my 5.56. Too expensive for 300blk subs
ETA: i changed my avatar to closer resemble myself.
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I like simplicity. Simple is sexy. :kiss:
DPMS Classic 20. Tuned by previous owner it's got some yadda yadda done, and some sort of stuff here or maybe there. Heck I don't know. Just know; dial this, point here. Hit target.
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I like simplicity. Simple is sexy. :kiss:
DPMS Classic 20. Tuned by previous owner it's got some yadda yadda done, and some sort of stuff here or maybe there. Heck I don't know. Just know; dial this, point here. Hit target.
Hmmm....I wonder who worked that fine machine over?
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great news! my events coordinator said i can go to this!
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God bless her!
(The pool musta been a big hit ;) )
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God bless her!
(The pool musta been a big hit ;) )
lol, inside/facebook joke. haven't even blown it up... that thing is HUGE!
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Hello NFOA Members. This is Ben Jochum, the writer of the email introducing this event. Thank you Dan W. for posting this to the forum and everyone for showing such interest. It is also available to share or join on Facebook (black rifle challenge) As requested, I have joined the forum to answer questions but the day of the event Mike K. will have final call.
First off, I will be shooting my "un-Western" deer rifle (my Father's words), my 6.8 SPC with a 3x9 Nikon and 16.5" Stag upper. It has taken a couple wild boars in Texas so I'm hoping it'll have some good luck on the metal ones. The May date I will probably switch to my Aramalite A2 NM and try the Iron sight division.
The main question I see relates to caliber and it seems you guys have worked out the answer. There are many options and the only issue is damage to the steel. Best idea: bring two guns. If your questionable one hurts the steel, apologize, weld it back, and switch to your other rifle.
At the moment there are only 2 dates for this event (and some folk can't make either). If there is the interest, we will add more dates. I will try to place them on dates not occupied by other gun club rifle matches.
This event should be a fun opportunity to meet some shooters and also get some DOPE on your rifle at 200 and 300 yards. I will also be using this opportunity to get my rifles prairie dog ready. The stage firing order right now will be targets first; Bench stage at 200, then Sniper (prone) at 300. We can put more targets on the line at once than steel, so, come the Field stage we hope you would buddy up and spot for someone.
There will be scorecards to fill out during the match and I will compile results to email out. While there are no awards for getting top score, it will be fun to see how you shot compared to your friends (sibling in my case). Also, this will teach new shooters how to score targets. I've already had some issues with "I don't have a bi-pod" or such. Don't let that stop you from coming out. Shooters are good people and will loan equipment without a worry. This event was created to bring out as many people as we can and have a good time. We will listen to suggestions and evolve the event as we progress.
Come early to get a good zero - the course is less fun if you have no idea where shots are landing. See you all Sunday!
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I have a new barrel and stock on my rifle finally, just need to get a little trigger time and a solid zero. Doubt I'll make this one but I might be able to make the next one.
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I'm going to try to make it ot the one in may, I'm pretty excited about this, just for my schedule these two weekends aren't ideal, we'll see how my fishing trip goes and if the Mrs lets me take off again the same weekend...
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I have a new barrel and stock on my rifle finally, just need to get a little trigger time and a solid zero. Doubt I'll make this one but I might be able to make the next one.
I'm going to try and hit the range early Saturday morning to double check my zero. If you want to meet out there I can spot for you.
I'm trying to decide whether I want to use 75gr Hornady OTM or 36gr Barnes Varmint Grenade. The Barnes is what my gun shoots best and it's what I use for P-dogs so I want to try that, but if there's wind the 75's will handle it better. So I'll probably get sight dope for both and make a game time call on it....
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Just checked the weather... 59 with SW 10mph wind and 30% chance for rain. Yesterday was showing higher wind with lower % of rain.
I went to the range this last Saturday and after the first 80 rounds my trigger developed a disconnector issue... So I might not be shooting with my lower... or I have to tear down one of my dads rifles... What I would really like to do is buy a Geissele but that's not happening right now...
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If you come i know someone will let you borrow their lower and that person will have an ssa in that same lower.
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I am coming... my lower or barrowed lower. I have the problem narrowed now just need to tear it back a part and look for burrs and maybe a little polishing of the disconnecter. If that person would still be willing to let me get a couple trigger pulls to make my Geissele hole in my soul get bigger :)
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I'm going to try and hit the range early Saturday morning to double check my zero. If you want to meet out there I can spot for you.
Will keep that in mind.
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I am coming... my lower or barrowed lower. I have the problem narrowed now just need to tear it back a part and look for burrs and maybe a little polishing of the disconnecter. If that person would still be willing to let me get a couple trigger pulls to make my Geissele hole in my soul get bigger :)
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Will keep that in mind.
barring any unfortunate last minute emergencies, i will be there. anyone can shoot my SSA, as long as you provide the ammo. the lower is also an SBR, so any barrel length is ok.
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newb question, having only owned an AR for about 3 months and having never shot at a real range, I want to make sure I don't make an arse out of myself if I'm able to make it to the May weekend for this.
I've only shot 2 types of ammo out of my AR, and have never shot at a real range like this, I've shot soft point 223 ammo at the Bullet Hole and some green tipped 556 stuff (gun loves this) at my buddies farm.
What should I use for this? I know there was the request to limit ammo to avoid damaging steel targets.
Just plain plinking ammo work? match? softpoint? PLease go easy on me, 99% of my gun experience is making large brown things with antlers fall down quickly, not target practice at 200 yards against steel.
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i plan on using some FMJ. i think the green tip is a no-no for this. i already know i am coming in last, so everyone needs to come out to this event.
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Landon
My plan is to shoot anything that a magnet doesn't stick to. As Robert said the main concern of the Ikes is they do not want the steel beaten up. Ben said that the steel regularly gets hit with 308 so a 55FMJ should be fine. My plan for this weekend is to shoot the Federal Black Box 223 from Wal-Mart. Not the cheapest stuff in the work but it seems to always be available. I need to take some inventory since Robert has offered up some trial runs with his lower. Hopefully by the May date I will have had enough time to work on some hand loads using heavier bullets and cheaper plinking rounds.
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i plan on using some FMJ. i think the green tip is a no-no for this. i already know i am coming in last, so everyone needs to come out to this event.
Hey, I plan on giving you a run for your money for that last spot. (If I can make it this weekend- it may have to be next go round. )
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i plan on using some FMJ. i think the green tip is a no-no for this. i already know i am coming in last, so everyone needs to come out to this event.
Correct, please don't use green tip or other "penetrator" rounds as they will most likely damage the silhouettes. The magnet test is a good guidline. If it attracts a magnet it shouldn't be shot at steel (this is a good idea anywhere with steel targets).
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See everyone in the morning.
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Had a great time today and met some great people too.
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how did everyone do?
I'm going out this weekend to stretch the legs of my rifle to 300 yards to see if i can even hit anything at that range
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It was a lot of fun. Unfortunately I'll be out of town for the next one. If we have more of them I'd like to shoot irons - I have a RRA National Match A2 that desperately needs taken out for some exercise.
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how did everyone do?
I'm going out this weekend to stretch the legs of my rifle to 300 yards to see if i can even hit anything at that range
It was a great time! Got introduced to Bkoenig and spent some time talking with Robert. They had just under 35 shooters and 3 squads so shooting took some time. Bkoenig was the big winner for the optics division and I beat Rob for last place. But I also didn't get a chance to shoot the last stage I had to leave :-[. I was happy with how my first two stages turned out for hardly ever shooting over 100 yards and never out to 300.
Picture of the 300 yard stage.
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if i had a family member that wanted to come but didnt have any AR would it be possible for 2 people to use the same gun, or would this create too much of a time log jam?
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if i had a family member that wanted to come but didnt have any AR would it be possible for 2 people to use the same gun, or would this create too much of a time log jam?
They had enough shooters that they had to shoot 3 relays, so you could easily use the same gun.
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what was the range of scores?
was it pretty close, or did 1 or 2 guys just destroy everyone?
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It was pretty spread out. If a couple shots had gone differently the top few places could have easily been switched.
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so modest
I'm trying to figure out how badly I'm going to place in the May one. What type of spread was your 10 shot group at 300?
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I had a couple of flyers at 300, but I want to say I overall I was holding about 2 MOA. My elevation was a little low.
The steel silhouettes are what really made the big difference. The 200 and 300 yard stages were worth 100 points each, and there were probably at least a half dozen shooters who had combined scores of 199 on those two stages. I don't think anyone shot both perfectly. The silhouettes were worth 10 points each and you shot 10 of them, so missing just one would really drop your score.
I knocked down my first 5 in a row and while they were resetting the next 5 I was thinking "This is a piece of cake!". Then I lined up the crosshairs on #6, squeezed the trigger and watched it fall through the scope, and heard someone yell "Hey, someone just shot my pig!".
(http://24-365crew.com/files/lichter50/p258313669.gif)
After that, I was so mad at myself that I just blasted through the next 4 and missed one of them, too. Shooting is 90% mental, and that's the part that usually bites me in the butt.
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Brian got first... i think i placed in the middle. But i beat a lot of people because they had to leave early.
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Brian got first... i think i placed in the middle. But i beat a lot of people because they had to leave early.
You'd have placed a lot higher if you were shooting hotter loads or heavier bullets. You had 4 or 5 good hits on the pigs that didn't knock them over.
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i'm guessing he was shooting 55gr?
Those didn't knock the steel down? Was it counted as a hit ?
I might have to go buy some heavy match rounds, I'll need all the points I can get!
If this was a shotgun slug shooting contest at 50-75 yards with open sights, ya'll'd be in trouble!, but long range...... um?
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Steel has to fall for it to count. A 55gr bullet is borderline for the pigs. If you hit below the centerline it may not have enough energy to knock it over. I was shooting 75gr Hornady Bullets and they would knock them over with a little more authority. The pigs are big enough that you should be able to place a shot higher up, though.
I'm not sure, but they may use chickens at the next one. They fall over easier but they're harder to hit.
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Regardless of where i placed, it was fun yet challenging
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News for next challenge, May 25th. There will be a few changes for this Challenge.
1. All paper will be shot at 200 yards so we don't have to swap target holders during the match.
2. Last time steel pigs were not falling easy, so we'll be shooting Chickens this Field stage. Smaller but lighter
Mike will be asking for feedback for the June BRC which will most likely June 22nd.
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I still really want to try to make it to this, have a couple obstibcles but still going to try.
really need to at least get my scope close before showing up
there is a "sight in" time, how much time would I have to get sighted in? enough to really take my time and try to get it good and zero'd?
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There is sufficient time to get a good zero and plenty of benches to shoot from. Please come with a good 100 yard zero to speed things along. Last time we started the match late to make sure shooters were zeroed.
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how did the last even go?
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Well Idk what Ben is up to so I will chime in. I didn't go but my dad helped out. He said they only had 14 shooters this time but that was to be expected with other holiday events happening. They are planning for the June match. Sounds like the next match is going to be shoot at 300 yards and I'm not sure what they are going to do for the steel part yet. I'm sure Ben will give a little more detail as the June match comes closer.
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Last Sunday's BRC went really well. We switched to smaller targets across the board and I didn't hear any complaints. We as Safety Officers are getting the swing of things with directing a herd of shooters and I had no safety issues at all.
I, however, didn't get to shoot this round but that's the cost of organizing things. June 22nd will have some more possible changes; division, rifle, distance. We're currently in discussion of opening up the rifle classification to a more wide open "modern military rifle".