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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: CliffD on April 10, 2014, 07:40:46 PM
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And I don't mean the weather.
From Maopa Valley town meeting yesterday: "They will fire the next shot heard 'round the world. We will fire the rest".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw96xBFaZHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw96xBFaZHE)
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Amazing how much firepower the gov't deemed necessary when it started to handle a single Mormon family ... *cough*
Anyhoo, I'd like to see someone like The Judge (Nap...) make some statements on if Bundy has any legal standing or not.
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Initially I was strongly supporting Mr. Bundy and his cause, but then I read a few more news stories on the case. Now? Not at all. There is a lot more to this than is being reported in some of the more conservative blogs and newspapers. Things like he has been in court with this for more than a decade. He was given many chances to pay his grazing fees. He was told in advance that the BLM was going to move his cattle for him since he refused.
After learning more about this one and the fact that the BLM has given him far more breaks than usual, I think the guy is telling stories out of school.
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There may be a lot more involved than 'turtles' and grazing fees and cows....
Pieces of the underlying puzzle are coming out.
It's in Nevada.
Harry Reid is NV senator.
Harry Reid had a hand in getting the current BLM Director his job with NO land management experience - he was Reid's "Policy Adviser" for 3 years before the appointment.
Harry Reid's son is big in Nevada land acquisitions and multi million dollar development projects.
Chinese want to build massive solar panel energy station. (where the turtles and cattle roam??)
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch)
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Yeah, he's been in court over all of this for a very long time.
The question, for me, is still whether he has any legal standing via the initial whatever.
Sure, it's pure b.s. that the gov't can come in and create a new heavy tax on what your family has been doing for 150 years... but it is what it is.
There's plenty of questions relating to the solar plant, mineral rights, etc. The whole tortoise thing is a smoke screen.
Legal stuff not withstanding, the use of several hundred armed men to deal with a single family is a *great* way to get the common man upset no matter what the background is.
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My understanding is that the Rancher doesn't have an issue about the fees per se, rather he doesn't recognize the Federal governments authority over the land. He's willing to pay the fees, just not to the Feds. Has the Federal govt always owned the land, even before the BLM took over? That's really the question I'd like to have answered.
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My understanding is that the Rancher doesn't have an issue about the fees per se
The question begs then - why didn't he pay the taxes ?
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It's hard to tell what's true and what's not with this story, much like anything else that happens lately. You read that he hasn't paid fees on the land for 20 years. You then read that he paid them up until the Federal Government took possession of the land from the State and they refused his payments.
Either way, you don't send in a militarized police force to remove 908 head of cattle. What's wrong with the Sheriff, a few Deputies showing up to handle it? Instead, they moved in a force of 200 heavily armed agents. In an effort to appease the public, they set up a 20' X 20' area with snow fence and labeled it the "Free Speech Area" so the protestors had a "spot" to voice their opinions.
The BLM is estimating it will cost $3 mil to remove the cattle (to justify his $1 mil debt). $3 mil to move cattle? Hell, I'm buying a truck and trailer!
Very, very little is being reported on main stream news sites and the fringe sites are often hard to determine what is what, but I did get confirmation today that they are now using jammers to block all cell phone and wireless reception in the area. Also, the road near the ranch is blocked and they are searching all travelers and enforcing confiscation of all firearms.
It appears to be more martial law than a serving of a warrant.
I hope everyone keeps their head and no one gets hurt.
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The question begs then - why didn't he pay the taxes ?
Here is a statement from Mr. Bundy's daughter:
Mr. Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:
“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now they’re desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my father’s property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”
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And things just got hotter. Federal Aviation Administration just closed the air space over the ranch:
FDC 4/1687 ZLA NV..AIRSPACE MESQUITE, NV..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 3NM RADIUS OF 364624N/1141113W (MMM71 RADIAL AT 4.3NM) SFC-3000FT AGL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT. ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF BLM ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE. BLM TELEPHONE 702-335-3191 IS IN CHARGE OF ON SCENE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITY. LOS ANGELES /ZLA/ ARTCC TELEPHONE 661-265-8205 IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. 1404112140-1405111434
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html (http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html)
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anyone up for a road trip?
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does anyone else think the feds are pushing this, so some idiot on either side will start shooting leading to a sad mess. that the gov, will then use that to start getting rid of assaut weapons?
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The Federal government has long had a history of reneging and otherwise ignoring treaties.
Which is why I just can't understand why anyone can trust the Federal government and/or give it more power. ::)
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anyone up for a road trip?
I read that the State Militia has been enacted and several groups from various States are headed there or are already on site. Main stream is starting to pick it up now:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/11/militia-groups-come-to-aid-nevada-rancher-in-battle-with-feds/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/11/militia-groups-come-to-aid-nevada-rancher-in-battle-with-feds/?intcmp=latestnews)
CBS also had it on their news this morning.
What I can't seem to find is just how many people are there. There is nothing coming from the location, so its hard to tell just how big of a build up this has become.
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What's wrong with the Sheriff, a few Deputies showing up to handle it?
And therein lies the problem......let the feds do their own dirty work instead of relying on the locals. If local LEOs across the country would just quit helping the feds do their so called "job", I believe we would see a huge reduction in fed interference in many areas.
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I'm not sure if this guy has a legitimate case or not but I am sure that I do not trust the Federal Govt nor any of their enforcement agencies. Even if the rancher is running a Meth Lab/Counterfeiting ring out there it's hard to imagine that requires HUNDREDS of armed feds with helicopters, etc. The specifics are almost immaterial as I see this as exhibit A of a gov run amok and power hungry and determined to intimidate citizens.
Randy Weaver and David Koresh were complete d-bags, that doesn't give the US Govt the right to murder them or their families.
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Federal Aviation Administration just closed the air space over the ranch:
Pretty much takes care of the news media helicopters. It is amazing how the BLM can evoke airspace security. Too many government enties have extensive power (and near military capacity).
I just can't understand why anyone can trust the Federal government and/or give it more power.
Isn't the Federal Government the entity that give the Federal Government more power?
Is this a case of due process not running it's course, government overstepping it's reasonable authority, or due process being ignored when carried out?
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Just saw on a live stream that the protesters have formally requested that the Federal Agents disarm and lay their weapons in front of the flag. The Sheriff announced that the BLM is pulling out. Man, tensions must be very high out there.
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Fearing for their safety as armed protesters gathered in the Nevada back country, federal officials on Saturday suddenly ended a controversial effort to seize hundreds of cattle that a rancher has kept illegally on public land.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79897809/ (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79897809/)
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Looks like the bureau of land management, blinked.
Not sure someone should not pay grazing fees, but also not sure why the feds own 99% of Nevada in the first place. I say, open up all that public land to settler's, like it once was. If this guy has been feeding his cattle the weeds and scrub brush on that property for 100 years, maybe he is owed 80 years of refunds, and a deed to the property.
I am not big on something for nothing, welfare, hand outs, but this guy has a working ranch, for a century, and I would tend to trust him, over the feds.
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Some are speculating that the BLM was pulled back after folks started connecting the dots back to Harry Reid. I'm not sure of course, but it does make sense. Either way, Reid's FaceBook page is blowing up...and it looks like the people aren't being so politically correct any longer.
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And for those that called Bundy a deadbeat saying that he didn't pay any fees for grazing the last 20 yrs check out the paragraph below the video.
http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/ (http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/)
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I agree with the sentiment and do believe things are coming to a head in the next 5 or so years, but I am glad that, at least this time, neither side had the will or the chance to fire.
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More info on the Reid / Reid connection and the Chinese corporation working on a $5 BILLION dollar deal for land in Nevada..... From a 2012 article...
"The son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Rory Reid, is the primary representative for ENN Energy Group, a Chinese energy company seeking to build a $5 billion solar panel plant on a 9,000-acre Clark County desert plot in Laughlin, Nevada."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal)
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Not sure why...but would love to see Reid caught at a dirty deal...
Gotta be more to why Chinese are being considered for NV land. Really tired of how US citizens can be trashed over endangered species (BS) but land dumped into the hands of other countries when political want/need can justify.
I hadn't realized that NV was the largest gold production state in the US. (nothing significant, just a NV factoid).
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it's very sad how quickly our country is plummeting. I wish I could say that I say a turn around coming, but I think it'll be a matter of having to pick ourselves up after a long and painful fall. That's what Americans need to strive for. The aftermath, b/c precious energy and resources are being spent trying to fix an broken machine that can't be fixed.
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Pretty good video showing the moment the gov backed down.
http://youtu.be/bD61YFxUga4 (http://youtu.be/bD61YFxUga4)
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Details on the moment the feds retreated
http://youtu.be/DWGVmqx3RVo (http://youtu.be/DWGVmqx3RVo)
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I have little doubt that the political whore harry Reid has his fingerprints all over this. I also have no doubt that the liberal press will assist wholeheartedly in any attempt to cover up his involvement. With an election coming, patriots should do what we can to counter the cover-up, and make it known that a vote for any Democrat for Senator is a vote for Harry Reid to keep control over the Senate. And as long as Reid keeps that control, Obama and his team of traitors will not be brought to justice. After the election, if Reid keeps his leadership job, the Feds will be back to the ranch to finish what they started.
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Harry Reid wanted to build a 5 billion dollar energy concern, from China, under the feet of the cattle that were impounded.
I hate to post three videos from the tin foil hat guy, Alex Jones, but main stream media, is not following this.
Other sources of information on this.
http://whatdidyousay.org/2014/04/12/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ (http://whatdidyousay.org/2014/04/12/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/)
http://www.inquisitr.com/1210994/harry-reid-cliven-bundy-and-the-big-bad-blm/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1210994/harry-reid-cliven-bundy-and-the-big-bad-blm/)
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bundy-ranch-rory-reid-harry-reid/2014/04/13/id/565328/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bundy-ranch-rory-reid-harry-reid/2014/04/13/id/565328/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nX1PDFc9Ug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nX1PDFc9Ug)
http://youtu.be/2nX1PDFc9Ug (http://youtu.be/2nX1PDFc9Ug)
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Unless I missed something, one of the worst things about this is the Feds setting up an area where people were allowed to exercise their 1st Amendment rights, with everywhere else apparently being an area where they could not. Even attempting to do something like that is illegal. If they can get away with that kind of thing there they can get away with it anywhere. Even though it clearly failed, whoever tried to institute it has no business serving in government. If we had real news media instead of a liberal propaganda machine the press would have been all over that.
I've said many times that those who try to destroy the 2nd Amendment will ultimately go after the 1st. And they will likewise seek to concentrate all forms of power into their hands. Arms, information, wealth, land ownership, are all forms of power, and those who want to control one usually want them all.
The response by militias shows that much is happening under the surface that is not being talked about publically. Apparently the treason being committed by Obama and his cronies like Reid has not gone unnoticed, and a response is building. Let's all hope and pray that the militias never need to do anything but get patriots out to vote, and their weapons are only used for practicing skills that won't be needed.
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2nd Amendment Zone
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this rancher was on glenn beck, and his argument seems to hold water
the federal govt owned the land, then the federal govt allowed Nevada to become a state, at that point it was no longer federal land, it was state and county land.
His family bought the rights to use parts of the land from the state/county, those rights have been passed down to him.
He has a contract with the state/county for use of the land
the land is not owned by the federal govt, as such the federal govt cannot control his legal use of the land (he bought the rights to use it)
now is he paying the grazing rights till? he said he tried to pay them to the county, the county wouldn't take them, why would he pay grazing rights to the fed when it is state land?
ever try to insure something that isn't yours? you can't, you don't have an insurable interest in it, the govt doesn't have the right to push him off land that isn't theres.
would this hold up in court? doubt it, too many lefties out there, but based on the very basic general information that I got from listening to the rancher himself, seems to make sense.
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When Reid was asked today for any comments, he replied "It's not over. We just can't have an American people violate the law and just walk away from it, therefore, it's not over".
My Grandma always used to say "You better make sure your own back porch is swept before commenting on anyone else's". It seems there's been a lot of walking away by those who violate laws recently.
Not sure why he would comment anyway...the Director of the BLM reports to the Secretary of the Interior who reports directly to the President. There's no Senator or ex-Governor in this hierarchy. Did he slip up and show his hand?
Also, I caught a "deja vu" when looking more into his background:
Reid had introduced legislation and imposed pressure on regulatory agencies to advance the business interests of his close friend Harvey Whittemore, a Nevada attorney-lobbyist who contributed heavily to Reid's campaigns and leadership fund and who employed Reid's son Leif as his personal attorney. With Reid's help, Whittemore was able to proceed with construction of a $30 billion planned golf course development, Coyote Springs, a project heavily criticized by environmental groups for reasons including its projected effects on several endangered species.
There's a lot more in this guy's history that is not very pleasant. How the hell did he get to where he is today?
Edit: Forgot to include link :-[
http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx (http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx)
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Migraine. Will keep this short, didn't necessarily read other posts, sorry (again... light is evil. eeevil).
Some accounts of the story have that he was paid up in taxes and all that.... and that the family had been improving the land over the last hundred years etc.
The Judge did weigh in on the matter and possibly didn't address my original concerns but does state that the course of action was way wrong by the feds. Should have been done at a State level due to conflict of interest, and that a lien on the property would have been the correct action - not 200 armed d00ds.
As an aside, when i looked friday - abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, and a few other major news sites didn't have any mention of the story. Fox *did* have the story (for whatever your opinion of fox may be), as did lots of grass roots conspiracy theory tin hat folks news places.
Says a fair amount about the news media.
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When Ron Brown was killed in the Clinton White House, was the media good at covering that? How about Vince Fosters death?
It is not just the Democrats that have a less than focuses press, the republicans also have problems reporting the truth.
As a society, if we believe we have a faithful and free press, we are vastly deceived.
Calling the press that does give us the truth, like Beck, and Jones, Tin Foil hat jobs (I call them that as well) , is not fair, and it is not represented in what they do for us.
When Paul Revere rode that famous night, less than 3% of the people that heard his warning signal, bothered to listen and respond.
I think it is time, we again, started listening.
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Migraine. Will keep this short, didn't necessarily read other posts, sorry (again... light is evil. eeevil).
Man, hate to hear that. Hope you get feeling better soon! I found that a hot, hot, hot shower beating down on my head is about the only thing I've found to give any relief at all.
I agree with you on the media. I always wake up about an hour early and read Fox News and CNN before heading to work. Early last week, I saw a small story on one of those websites about Federal Agents moving in on a rancher out in Nevada. I never saw any updates or more to the story and forgot about it. Then Thursday, coming home from work, Chris Baker mentioned something about it on KFAB. I got home, did some Googling and like you, could only find information on the "fringe" websites. As time went on, I started finding more information on local news sites, which gave credence to other reports.
It's odd how it was first reported by a major news network, but ignored entirely as the story unfolded.
Edit: tuned in a bit and it's actually Mr. and Mrs. Bundy JR. who are being interviewed. The hosts before the interview can't say a sentence without saying a cuss word. Discretion advised.
EditEdit: I had posted a link to a live interview with the Bundy's. The hosts of the show are absurd at best and didn't feel it was a beneficial source of information. I removed the link to save you all the grief.
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I think it is time, we again, started listening.
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I think that a lot of people are listening, just can't believe that this is happening before our very eyes, with the level of boldness and blatant corruption.
Hard to deal with as " individuals".
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Im not sure how accurate this is, but Its what I expect from the govnt,
http://benswann.com/exclusive-sources-inside-the-blm-and-las-vegas-metro-say-feds-are-planning-a-raid-on-bundy-home/ (http://benswann.com/exclusive-sources-inside-the-blm-and-las-vegas-metro-say-feds-are-planning-a-raid-on-bundy-home/)
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I think that a lot of people are listening, just can't believe that this is happening before our very eyes, with the level of boldness and blatant corruption.
Hard to deal with as " individuals".
I don't know. I think a lot of people have their fingers in their ears and are saying, "La la la, I can't hear you." It seems only a few can fathom that this is about government control, power and money/land grubbing by people in power. Quite a few people want to believe that this is about a rancher disobeying laws and harming turtles. They don't want to think that their government is capable of such tyrannical behavior.
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2nd Amendment Zone
Koz, I didn't know you took a trip out there.
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We do not listen, because we were taught to trust our system, and distrust anyone in other systems of gov, or distrust anyone complaining about our system of government.
As a early teen, I was listening to a police frequency, on a shortwave radio from Radio Shack. A policeman reported finding a folding motorcycle behind a house. He read vin over the radio, and it came back being someone that worked with my Mother, named Bob. The motorcycle had been reported stolen a year earlier. The second time that VIN came over the radio, I jotted down the number, and I told Bob they had located his motorcycle.
Bob contacted the Council Bluffs police dept, and they denied ever having found the small motorcycle.
From a cycle in Council Bluffs, to Rolex watches coming up missing in Katrina, to 100% compartmentalized jobs at NASA where you have no idea what the guy in the next room, next cubicle, next desk, does for a living, our system is set up that no checks and balances are in place.
Even when we can see what is going on, we are taught to debate, to win, not taught to do what is noble, just, or honest.
I love my Country, I love our people, but I FEAR my government, and I can ALMOST ALWAYS depend on them to disappoint me, to some degree.
That confrontation zone is how far from the border? Why are those agents, not protecting all of us, from the people that would trespass, and violate our system of government?
If they want to work out in the heat of the desert sun, go protect our borders, and leave our citizens alone.
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Do you mean "confrontation zone" in Nevada?
Unfortunately, people hear someone say that they fear the government and they have a negative reaction to that individual: "You must be crazy. Why wouldn't you trust the government?"
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Do you mean "confrontation zone" in Nevada?
Unfortunately, people hear someone say that they fear the government and they have a negative reaction to that individual: "You must be crazy. Why wouldn't you trust the government?"
yes, lol
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Calling the press that does give us the truth, like Beck, and Jones, Tin Foil hat jobs (I call them that as well) , is not fair, and it is not represented in what they do for us.
Truth, maybe... maybe not. The tin foiler's spin stuff just like the main stream media does.. but at least it's more / different news.
I only knew about the Nevada situation cause I do happen to frequent the 'tin foil hat' news sites for what it's worth :).
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it appears that the feds are arresting protesters near the ranch
http://nationalreport.net/multiple-militia-members-arrested-bundy-ranch-charged-domestic-terrorism/ (http://nationalreport.net/multiple-militia-members-arrested-bundy-ranch-charged-domestic-terrorism/)
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fake
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you sure? I honestly don't know.
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Shooter, I've seen similar reports on other alternative sites tonight. I don't see anything that jumps out as undeniable fact, but reports are building.
On another note, I ran across this article from a Northern Colorado newspaper. Most of the article talks of the Bundy ranch, but the ending paragraphs are what is most interesting:
Today, the alternative media has begun to cover another BLM land grab. In Texas, rancher Tommy Henderson is being told the government is confiscating his 90,000 acre ranch along the Red River. Henderson is also told that once the BLM takes his ranch for public land, he might be able to arrange a grazing contract; you know, like Cliven Bundy and his neighbors used to have in Nevada.
Henderson has a clear deed to his land in the state of Texas. He has no back taxes or fines or other issues pending. So how is the BLM taking his family ranch? The BLM has decided to declare that his land is now in Oklahoma and therefore his Texas deed became invalid when the Red River moved its banks south.
If one more federal agent takes one more legal gun from one more American, the rest of us need to put a stop to it – before none of us can!
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=blm-declares-texas-is-oklahoma-land (http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=blm-declares-texas-is-oklahoma-land)
I did search and confirmed this story on several other rural news sites.
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I think Hanity mentioned something on Texas tonight as i was driving home. In my head i associated what he said with the Nevada thing, but i just wasnt paying close enough attention to what he was saying.
Whats their plan, do as much damage to Americans, and America as possible before Nov.?
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A wound up guy in the Instructors movement, got to the ranch today, and he ways everything is OK.
I think 90% of what this guy does is pretty good, 5% is too strong, and a couple percentage points, he is a whack job. Hey, at least he is entertaining, and gets involved.
This was posted at the Bundy home at 6pm 4-15-2014
http://youtu.be/9L9TCuTXWWk (http://youtu.be/9L9TCuTXWWk)
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Not sure where things stand on the Government's side, but it appears that Bundy and the Patriots on site are now pushing this to go beyond the ranch's borders. This was posted on MSN this morning:
BUNKERVILLE, Nevada (Reuters) - A Nevada rancher who succeeded in reclaiming his seized cattle from federal land managers over the weekend by rallying armed supporters called on local sheriffs across the country on Monday to join his crusade against government overreach.
http://news.msn.com/us/nevada-cattle-rancher-calls-on-local-sheriffs-to-join-his-cause (http://news.msn.com/us/nevada-cattle-rancher-calls-on-local-sheriffs-to-join-his-cause)
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I have friends that are there and everything is quiet. There are more heading out tomorrow to stand watch, also. I believe the Feds are just waiting for things to go quiet to start the next operation. Good folks, including sitting politicians, are standing with the Bundys watching for any new developments.
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Remember years ago, for 15 years?, protesters marched in front of the World Herald, picketing, for some grievance, don't remember what they wanted.
If the citizens of that area, do not hang tough, long term, the feds will just wait them out, and pounce, once everyone goes home.
Two things need to happen.
1: Stand strong, till its over
& 2: Vote all the politicians, and worthless sheriffs out of office.
It is not just that area under siege, it is all over our country.
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Has the Federal govt always owned the land, even before the BLM took over?
I don't think I saw this question answered...
The United States acquired the land from Mexico. When Nevada became a state the Feds kept most of it for themselves and put it under the BLM. Up until the 1990's grazing was free (open range). Then the radical enviros started taking over and **** flows down hill from there.
Currently the land is being used as a environmental offset for taking other lands and leasing them for a solar energy farm (which is big BS but there ya go).
Yes, Hairy Reed is in it up to his eyeballs.
Yes, bureaucracies should NEVER have been militarized.
No, Bundy has no legal rights in this case (which is also BS)
But sometimes, it takes a stand like this to get things changed.
Will it change anything? Maybe
Did you see it has come out the BLM destroyed water lines and water tanks on the land?
Possibly killed some of the cattle and tried to bury them? I don't know if that has been independently verified or not and how it could be since no one can get on the property.
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Bundy has what are called prescrptive rights. That's why the .gov is bullying with snipers rather than simply putting a lien on Bundy's cattle.
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An update from the ranch, be sure to read the last paragraph:
A letter from the Oath Keepers
Updating With Stewart Rhodes
NOTE: First, at the moment things are quiet here. 99% of the rumors on the internet are either blatantly false or wildly inaccurate. No strong presence of federal agents has been seen. Remnants of BLM's recent sojourn here are still present, such as the lights they had put up at their "field-headquarters" and no doubt we are under surveillance of all kinds, but there is no overt, visible massing of federal law enforcement.
We are, however concerned that the domestic enemies of the Constitution that infest the federal government might try to take advantage of folks going home, and attempt to make a move on the Bundy family. We feel certain that they will want to try again at some point, perhaps in a different way, even perhaps by executing a dynamic entry raid to attempt to arrest the Bundys. And we have heard that this is being discussed, though I have not been able to directly confirm it. But it is a real risk.
Therefore, to prevent such a raid, or to at least throw a monkey wrench into any such plans and make it more difficult for them, we're doing the following:
1: We are calling on all Oath Keepers who can possibly get here to come to the Bundy Ranch to serve as volunteers on an ongoing, rotating watch.
That is not because there is any great emergency, but is a preventative measure - sort of like doing a rotation on the DMZ.
I am urging each and every Oath Keepers member who can, to get here and spend a bit of time to ensure that the Bundys are not alone. We need boots on the ground. We want you here, standing watch, which is appropriate for us Oath Keepers since our motto is "Not on Our Watch."
We have six Oath Keepers here from New Hampshire (one of whom - Jerry DeLemus - is now the head of security for the ranch). We have one woman, Lori Storm, who drove down by herself from Nebraska, and one of our Board members from Nebraska, Steve Homan, is also here. We've got people here from Montana, Utah, Arizona, California, and Washington State. People are here from all over the country.
But people, however dedicated, will get burnt out and we need others to rotate in. We need you to step up and serve your turn on watch.
We are raising money to help with gasoline - just be sure to save all receipts for reimbursement.
(EA here: That may only be available on first-come first-served basis. Of the money we've raised thus far, we've given $12,000.00 dollars to the Bundy family, and we purchased a $1,000.00 generator, but we are now raising more money to help some folks traveling from afar.)
I will not ask you to do anything I am not willing to do myself. So, even though I have been away from my home and family since April 10, I am still here, and I will remain here through April 19, standing watch with the others. I was supposed to be speaking at a rally in Idaho on that day, but I canceled that because I need to be here to lead by example by also pulling a watch stint.
And I can think of no better place to be on April 19 than on ground where modern patriots followed the example of the Founders and stood firm in defense of liberty. Like their forefathers before them who stood at Lexington and Concord, they refused to bend the knee to tyranny, and they stood their ground. And that spot of ground may go down in history as the birthplace of the next American Revolution, where the tide was turned, and the people stood up.
-Bundy Ranch: We Came Risking Never Coming Home
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OATH RENEWAL CEREMONY, SATURDAY, APRIL 19
On Saturday, April 19, we w ill have speakers (such as Mike Vanderboegh of the Three Percenters) and then we will follow in the foosteps of the Founding generation by renewing our oaths at approximately 6pm. What better place to do that than where brave Americans just kept their oaths and continue to keep their oaths in such a profound and moving way.
I invite you to join us there, both to do your duty, and to honor our forefathers and every American who has fought for this nation, from Lexington Green to today, as we celebrate our liberty that has been won for us and preserved for us, at such great cost.
NOTE: There is also a cowboy barbeque being thrown Friday night, April 18, by the Bundy family down by the river near their ranch. The Bundy's will provide the food and live music, with the first band going on at 6pm. All you need to do is show up. Ammon Bundy told me that you are welcome to bring your families, and are welcome to camp there. So, this is not just about standing watch. This is also about fellowship, family, and enjoying the land the Bundy family has been caring for for generations.
All of us who are here consider it a great honor to stand with this patriot family, and I can tell you that we Oath Keepers also consider it a great honor to be in the company of this fine bunch of Americans who have traveled from all over our country to support and stand with the Bundy family.
The Bundys are open and very grateful for people coming to be there for them, and thus far the caliber and quality of the people who've been here has been outstanding. From all over America people of good character and brave spirit have come to help and have done honor to our American traditions. We want those types of people. We do not want hot-heads who are looking for a fight. We want "cool, calm, and collected" - the "quiet professional." Thank you for understanding. Yes, by all means, bring your rifles, handguns, and whatever other gear you think you will need to stand watch, and yes, that includes any cammo you think will work best.
2: A rotating vigil of state legislators and current serving sheriffs at the ranch. This second part of our plan is a continuation of what we've already been doing. Oath Keepers helped facilitate a number of legislators from several Western States traveling to the Bundy Ranch this past week. Sheriff Mack's Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org) helped ensure that some real-deal constitutional Sheriffs were also present on the side of the Bundy family.
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We will be continuing this effort and we need proactive Oath Keepers to help arrange a steady stream of State and County officials to rotate presence there so that the idiot government will have to admit it's ready to kill sitting elected public servants to assert its authority, or leave the Bundy family - and their cows - alone. Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, on Monday night, served the first vigil in the Bundy Ranch House (if only the Nevada Governor, Brian Sandoval, had a fraction of her integrity and courage. We wouldn't need to be here).
And to support that "official" stream of State and County officials, as well as others with names of gravity, Oath Keepers' general membership will also rotate into service there.
There is also some serious perimeter security and Oath Keepers CPTers who volunteer to help with the out-lying security in the desert will find this to be a great training exercise. Bring your gear. Consider this your Minute Man FTX. But however you come, do come. Oath Keepers will not be alone in this. Many other Americans are mobilizing now, millions of Americans are learning about it and are wanting to be helpful. Be part of it.
For the Republic!
Stewart Rhodes
Founder and President of Oath Keepers
PS - I want to personally thank Nebraska Oath Keepers President and member of our national BOD, Steve Homan, a Marine's Marine, who fought in Vietnam, who is here with me. Though Steve has five stints in his heart, and still carries around a bullet in his stomach courtesy of the NVA, he is here, and he will be standing watch with me till Saturday evening. I also want to thank four fine patriots and Oath Keepers - Rick, Ben, George, and John - who also attend Pastor Chuck Baldwin's Liberty Fellowship church in Montana. They drove down here together last week and though George had to fly home, Rick, Ben, and John have agreed to stay here with me until Saturday night, and then drive all night to get us home for Easter Service at Liberty Fellowship in Kalispell (I promised my wife and kids I would be home for Easter and that is a promise I need to keep if at all possible).
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Feds taking heat over destruction of property and going beyond court order:
On a Friday night conference call, BLM officials told reporters that "illegal structures" on Bundy's ranch -- water tanks, water lines and corrals -- had to be removed to "restore" the land to its natural state and prevent the rancher from restarting his illegal cattle operation.
However, the court order used to justify the operation appears only to give the agency the authority to "seize and impound" Bundy's cattle.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/feds-accused-leaving-trail-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/feds-accused-leaving-trail-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/)
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v well one federal judge is fed up with what is going on,
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15602-federal-judge-rules-for-property-rights-smacks-down-abusive-feds (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15602-federal-judge-rules-for-property-rights-smacks-down-abusive-feds)
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From Fox news reports I heard tonight, the reason the cattle were released was due to the Feds inability to sell them off. According to the report, Nevada cattle buyers black-listed buying any of these cattle due to the dubious nature of the seizure and questions over whether this could be construed as receiving "stolen property". The Feds then attempted to arrange buyers in Utah until the governor there issued an order forbidding the transport of the livestock into his state. Do they still hang cattle rustlers out west?
It makes me wonder as to the timing/circumstances of when they decided to shoot Bundy's two prize bulls and destroy the watering and stockade facilities. Sour grapes? Destroying private property and slaughtering livestock , somewhere Attila the Hun is smiling.
The ultimate irony is that U.S. military forces in the Afghan war zone would be disciplined for doing the same and monetary compensation paid out immediately, while Fed Bureaucrats can get away with those actions on U.S. citizens.
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All the NFOA members, are proud of the Nebraska people, and everyone, for helping out in this. Be safe.
An ND, at this time, would be a bad thing, so do not push your equipment, and everyday, daily experiences, beyond your training. If the SHTF, keep your mind on clear thoughts, and remember we all love you, and we have your families safe till you come back.
Send a PM to me, if any of your Nebraska families need anything.
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The ultimate irony is that U.S. military forces in the Afghan war zone would be disciplined for doing the same and monetary compensation paid out immediately, while Fed Bureaucrats can get away with those actions on U.S. citizens.
I was thinking about this just the other night. How do the RoE change when you're engaging your own citizens vs when you're engaging potential threats on foreign soil?
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists (http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists)
Uhmmmm....
That went beyond a dangerous thing to do.
*shakes head*
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I was thinking about this just the other night. How do the RoE change when you're engaging your own citizens vs when you're engaging potential threats on foreign soil?
ROE for LEO seems to be they only need to "feel" threatened (unless it is Border Patrol, then they have to run away). I believe the current ROE for our troops is they actually have to be shot at. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.