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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: SemperFiGuy on November 24, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
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So says the news: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-shooting-michael-brown-grand-jury.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-shooting-michael-brown-grand-jury.html?_r=0)
Unrest breaking out in Ferguson; crowds gathering in several big cities
Surprised that such info hasn't been posted here on the Forum yet.
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live feed of St Louis police radio traffic
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner)
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"No available cars" to stop active looting...
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Well, I hope Al Sharpton is happy. He got the riot he wanted.
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Part of the testimony is also available and notice on page 224 that after they struggle for the officer's gun (Sig P229) and he gets it back under control, he pulls the trigger two times and gets two "clicks". Only after a third trigger pull does it go off.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/24/darren-wilson-testimony-snippet.pdf?hpt=hp_t1 (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/24/darren-wilson-testimony-snippet.pdf?hpt=hp_t1)
Interesting.
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I stayed up til a bit after midnight(late for this old guy) to watch the carnage.
Best part was when one of the guys that was live-streaming from his phone, had that very phone stolen sometime around 11pm.... priceless!!
It's ironic that they burned down what are probably the most used and popular businesses in the community. I didn't hear of any bookstores or work boot stores getting damaged.
If people don't think this is the spark that rekindles a nationwide race war(black on white), I think they are sorely mistaken. This could get really bad.
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Interesting that CNN, the gun hating network has what appear to be two military trained guys protecting one of their reporters.
I noticed the one on the right has the trigger finger and thumb cut off his glove. And both jackets were pretty well printed up underneath.
66bigblock
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live feed of St Louis police radio traffic
Kinda electric, the sense that comes through when listening to live police radio.
Last words I heard just now at 8:31am in the morning were, "...flames coming through the roof of the building..."
Wonder what the LA and Chicago live police radios sound like.
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"No available cars" to stop active looting...
Fella at work was listening to scanner traffic all night. One funny (in a sad sort of way) was a patrol car became inoperable (for some reason or another) and they asked dispatch to send a wrecker. Dispatch came back with a "Wrecker company declines...." Well, Duh! Other reports had Firefighters were just letting stuff burn rather than risk getting shot or stoned.
Me, I'm waiting for a number of arrested that weren't even from the area. Race war escalators. I work with a very diverse group of people, and the black folk I spoke with last night were disgusted with it all.
It got me wondering one thing. Just how ready am I?
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It got me wondering one thing. Just how ready am I?
"Ready" ... against a mob like that ... includes barricades that require climbing, tanglefoot traps, fatal funnels, a few rolls of concertina wire, full auto and a few thousand rounds of ammo. It also requires 360° coverage and, preferably, high and sightly overwatch.
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"Ready" ... against a mob like that ... includes barricades that require climbing, tanglefoot traps, fatal funnels, a few rolls of concertina wire, full auto and a few thousand rounds of ammo. It also requires 360° coverage and, preferably, high and sightly overwatch.
Exactly! I ain't ready for S#!T
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Interesting that CNN, the gun hating network has what appear to be two military trained guys protecting one of their reporters.
I noticed the one on the right has the trigger finger and thumb cut off his glove. And both jackets were pretty well printed up underneath.
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The dead give away is the dude on the HER right has a beard .... Tactical beard .... :)
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The dead give away is the dude on the HER right has a beard .... Tactical beard .... :)
They both do, or course... :D
66bigblock
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Officer Wilson is not off the hook yet. Criminal trials have a higher standard for proof of guilt than civil trials. Despite the preponderance of physical evidence supporting Wilson's version of the events in Ferguson, which refuted the testimony of many of "eye" witnesses who then changed their stories when the autopsy was published, the Federal Government has a talent for exploiting the nebulous, or even turning truth on its head. Just consider how they use special courts with special judges to convict innocent American citizens, after they've muzzled them and their lawyers with "NSA Letters" and confiscated their financial resources (RICCO) so they can't afford to defend themselves. We can't forget that the FBI sent CRS teams to Sanford, FL to teach protesters how to do it and pay them.
Will Wilson get convicted in a Federal court? I wouldn't bet against it. Since August the FBI has had teams of agents going door to door looking for anything to support a civil rights violation charge.
"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242)
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To add to GreyGeek's comments ... in theory Officer Wilson's case could be heard by another grand jury. There is no "Double Jeopardy" clause disallowing such. In short, his life is forever changed sad it may seem ....
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I can only pray that he gets a chance to make a life somewhere that won't judge him by what happened or not give him a fair shake because of the impact of hiring someone with so much press. One of the saddest parts of the whole affair might be that he was doing his job and yet will never get to do that job again because he did his job.
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Kinda electric, the sense that comes through when listening to live police radio.
Last words I heard just now at 8:31am in the morning were, "...flames coming through the roof of the building..."
Wonder what the LA and Chicago live police radios sound like.
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Join your local VFD&RS and you can hear such things on a regular basis ..... just sayin' ....... "If not YOU, then WHO?"
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I can only pray that he gets a chance to make a life somewhere that won't judge him by what happened
He wont. Holder will guarantee that he is brought up on other charges of some type.
66bigblock
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I really enjoyed seeing all of the usual suspects on CNN who exploit every tragedy running & coughing from the tear gas canisters! It made me feel warm & fuzzy inside....
At one point Don Lemon said (loosely quoting), "the crowd is throwing rocks at the officers.....I don't know why they are firing tear gas" HaHaHa!
Another highlight of the evening was Obama's speech.....he referenced the "handful of violent protesters" multiple times.
He also started off by saying "we are a nation built on the rule of law"....What are you talking about? Pretry ironic from a guy who picks what laws to follow & habitually violates the constitution which is the supreme law of the land!
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Nothing quite like the look which comes across their face when they realize for the first time that yes, tear gas really sucks! :laugh:
The quote of the night for me occurred while FoxNews was filming the looting of the liquor store. As reporter leans over to get a look at 3 bottles of vodka stolen from the storethat were sitting on the sidewalk, 2 masked looters come running up and shout, "Don't touch that, that ain't yours!".... oh the irony.
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I've been watching a video stream from a news helicopter, unedited.
http://suckersonparade.blogspot.com/2014/11/live-stream-ksdk-streets-of-ferguson.html#.VHVBBYXxf-c (http://suckersonparade.blogspot.com/2014/11/live-stream-ksdk-streets-of-ferguson.html#.VHVBBYXxf-c)
It seems that there are only about 250 protesters and a much larger police force. The police are instantly reacting to thrown objects and hauling off perps. It seems like there is some rioter remorse after they burned down a lot of Black owned businesses.
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Thanks for the link!
In the few minutes I watched tonight the crowd walked down the middle of the street for several blocks, intimidating drivers enough that they would turn around rather than drive by the crowd, turned right down another street to the Ferguson City Hall and attacked a police car parked out front and threw stones at the building itself. Of course once the police pulled up most scattered into the winds like cockroaches while the rest moved away slowly as a group.
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The quote of the night for me occurred while FoxNews was filming the looting of the liquor store. As reporter leans over to get a look at 3 bottles of vodka stolen from the storethat were sitting on the sidewalk, 2 masked looters come running up and shout, "Don't touch that, that ain't yours!".... oh the irony.
That is awesome in a horrible way.... Am I just paying attention more OR is our country going down hill at a rapid pace? I already live in the suburbs & I think everyday about my exodus to the countryside! Saving money & paying off my debts! Man I want to charge a pallet of 556 on a credit card but I won't do it.....well I will, just with cash in hand!
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The riots can be referred to by this acronym: Organized Betrayal Achieves Massive Anarchy (OBAMA)
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a guy on the radio had a great way to deal with 2 problems, the rioters, and the fires they set, he thought of using those big airplanes that forest fire fighters use. the ones who dump the huge loads of water.
would really put a damper on everything
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Watch out on black friday if you're by 72nd and Dodge or elsewhere for that matter.
http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm (http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm)
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Watch out on black friday if you're by 72nd and Dodge or elsewhere for that matter.
http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm (http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm)
I cant get that link to work,
hope they don't cause trouble at the Millard gun show this weekend
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Watch out on black friday if you're by 72nd and Dodge or elsewhere for that matter.
http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm (http://m.omaha.com/news/metro/events-set-in-omaha-lincoln-in-response-to-ferguson-decision/article_a3fc3ae2-a611-5dab-803c-8ac27b2bae69.html?mode=jqm)
The Lincoln event will be held at the "Black Cat House". Yeah...these people sound quite open minded.
http://www.blackcathouse.org/about (http://www.blackcathouse.org/about)
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a guy on the radio had a great way to deal with 2 problems, the rioters, and the fires they set, he thought of using those big airplanes that forest fire fighters use. the ones who dump the huge loads of water.
would really put a damper on everything
Physics works both ways. Jumping from 200 feet into water would probably be lethal 99.999% of the time. Dumping water on people from 200 feet high would be just as lethal.
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The New York Times issues a FATWA against Wilson.
They did it by publishing his address, absolutely the most irresponsible example of journalism I've seen in the last 60 years.
It's reprehensible. The NYT used to be called the "Gray Lady", or the "journal of record". Not any more.
How does it advance the story to know where Darren Wilson and his newly wed live??
The most obvious reason why the two reporters posted Wilson's address is to facilitate retribution.
I fully expected the names and addresses of the editors and reporters to be published on the Internet in the near future. They set the standard. They can be hung on their own petard. It took about 10 minutes before a website supplied the addresses of the two NYT "reporters" who put Wilson and his new wife's lives in danger:
http://gotnews.com/cant-publish-addresses-new-york-times-reporters/ (http://gotnews.com/cant-publish-addresses-new-york-times-reporters/)
It would be wrong, for example, to publish Bosman’s address at
5620 N WAYNE AVE APT 2
CHICAGO, IL 60660-4204
COOK COUNTY
It would be similarly wrong to publish the address of Robertson, too.
1113 N DUPRE ST
NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119-3203
ORLEANS COUNTY
So why do journalists think they are beyond examination?
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The Lincoln event will be held at the "Black Cat House". Yeah...these people sound quite open minded.
http://www.blackcathouse.org/about (http://www.blackcathouse.org/about)
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Yep, sound like archetypal cat people... :)
"The Black Cat House is an organization dedicated to educating ourselves and the community about oppressive power structures, and how to dismantle them. ... We are not limited to any specific ideology, but our principles are derived from anti-capitalism, anti-racism, feminism, queerdom, and environmentalism."
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It is pretty obvious that none of this is about the actual incident. There have been other "officer shoots innocent black male" that don't get much more than a spot in a newspaper. The fact that Holder got sent in right away demonstrates an agenda being initiated (or continued). Another smoke screen.
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anti-capitalism
What in the hell are they talking about? They should lose their occupancy license for being UnAmerican! It drives me crazy how those who are enjoying all of the benefits of living in our country constantly complain about the the very principles that allow them the freedom of speech & basic rights!
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The Lincoln event will be held at the "Black Cat House". Yeah...these people sound quite open minded.
http://www.blackcathouse.org/about (http://www.blackcathouse.org/about)
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From the Black Cat House "About" page:
a growing radical library
I suspect that the number one book in that library is Saul D Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals", which was used to train Obama and which he used to teach "organizing". It's dedicated to Lucifer.
The Collectivists have hijacked the political debate about police abuse of power.
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It is pretty obvious that none of this is about the actual incident. There have been other "officer shoots innocent black male" that don't get much more than a spot in a newspaper. The fact that Holder got sent in right away demonstrates an agenda being initiated (or continued). Another smoke screen.
Well when folks get all worked up over something before the jury results are in and justice has run its course, they have pretty much painted themselves in a corner. When the results don't go as expected they could say "I guess I was wrong about that" but that would take courage and wisdom, so instead they say they're still angry about what the event "symbolized" even though it's a false symbol. E.g., now some people are saying that the protests are against police brutality and racism in general, even though there was no racism and lethal force was justified.
It reminds me of the Charlie Rogers incident in Lincoln a couple years ago when everybody was holding candlelight vigils and getting "no h8" tattoos, only to find out Rogers staged the hate crime herself. Yet people kept ranting about hate crimes, even though the hate was imaginary. It's like the oddballs of the world love playing the victim so much and they've made "fighting oppression" such a part of their identity that they WANT the hate to be real even when it's not. In Rogers' case she wanted the hate to be real so badly she carved slurs into her own skin.
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Physics works both ways. Jumping from 200 feet into water would probably be lethal 99.999% of the time. Dumping water on people from 200 feet high would be just as lethal.
Bull crap...if that was true, rain would be lethal. When water is dropped from a plane, it disperses as it falls. If it didn't, it would crush everything it's dropped on...such as firefighters and houses.
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Bull crap..
Obviously you have not been involved in water from a fire hose or drop. The drop does not disperse like rain depending on the drop height. Do some research before call bull crap on someone. There are plenty of news articles on injury caused by water drop events gone bad.
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Bull crap...if that was true, rain would be lethal. When water is dropped from a plane, it disperses as it falls. If it didn't, it would crush everything it's dropped on...such as firefighters and houses.
The physics is still valid, even though I haven't taught Physics in college since 1992. Rain drops are isolated bodies of water which reach what is called the "maximum terminal velocity", where the upward drag force of the air equals the downward force on the drop due to the pull of gravity. Small raindrops (radius < 1 mm) are spherical; larger ones assume a shape more like that of a hamburger bun. When they get larger than a radius of about 4.5 mm they rapidly become distorted into a shape rather like a parachute with a tube of water around the base --- and then they break up into smaller drops. The terminal velocity is between 9 and 15 meters per second, an average of 30 ft/sec or 20 mph.
When the drop hits the person it rebounds into itself, the front end meeting the back end, which results in part of the drop dispersing horizontally, just like a bug on a windshield. The kinetic energy of the raindrop is eventually converted into heat, raising the temperature of the skin of the person struck and the temperature of the dispersed particles of raindrop.
When a block of several tons of water strike a person standing below, the water impacting the person's head cannot reflect back into the block because the small mass reflecting off the person's head cannot move the mass of water behind it backwards or to the side. If the water falls over 100 feet it's the same as a person jumping from over 100 ft into water. In both circumstances the water is, effectively, as hard as concrete. The water becomes the windshield, the person becomes the bug.
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I am a volunteer firefighter. It is amazing what you can destroy with 250 psi of water from a hose.
I have been in sight of a water drop from an airplane and watched the water tear apart trees and tear out vegetation from the earth. There was a definate sideways velocity from the aircraft that stayed with the mass of water. Would not want to be under that.
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I am a volunteer firefighter. It is amazing what you can destroy with 250 psi of water from a hose.
I have been in sight of a water drop from an airplane and watched the water tear apart trees and tear out vegetation from the earth. There was a definate sideways velocity from the aircraft that stayed with the mass of water. Would not want to be under that.
If you are every in a Zombie apocalypse, it will also cut zombies in half as proven by a recent episode of The Walking Dead. ;D
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I nominate this thread for the title, "most meandering stream of consciousness." Shall I post a cocktail recipe to celebrate?
http://cocktail.com/2012/06/04/flaming-zombie/ (http://cocktail.com/2012/06/04/flaming-zombie/)
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I nominate this thread for the title, "most meandering stream of consciousness." Shall I post a cocktail recipe to celebrate?
http://cocktail.com/2012/06/04/flaming-zombie/ (http://cocktail.com/2012/06/04/flaming-zombie/)
Hey! Zombie physics are VERY relevant to this conversation. :laugh:
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Hey! Zombie physics are VERY relevant to this conversation. :laugh:
Zombies, and dealing with them, are relevant to EVERY meaningful conversation.
Humph.
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I nominate this thread for the title, "most meandering stream of consciousness." [/url]
Perhaps a little more meandering!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg)
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"Oh, the Humility!"
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I think those who protested and rioted are motivated by a hatred of their condition. They don't want to admit to themselves that they themselves are the ones responsible for their condition, and that self deception is reinforced by self-serving politicians and liars in the liberal media. Hatred seems to seek a human face, and this police officer who defended himself and other innocent people from a violent criminal became that face, with the help of race baiters.
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I think those who protested and rioted are motivated by a hatred of their condition. They don't want to admit to themselves that they themselves are the ones responsible for their condition, and that self deception is reinforced by self-serving politicians and liars in the liberal media
We have here one of the most trenchant observations ever posted on this Forum.
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More meandering.
http://gunssavelives.net/why-i-carry/why-i-carry-man-is-beaten-to-death-by-teenagers-with-hammers-in-st-louis/ (http://gunssavelives.net/why-i-carry/why-i-carry-man-is-beaten-to-death-by-teenagers-with-hammers-in-st-louis/)
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Some good writing from Tim over at Gun Nuts Media:
http://www.gunnuts.net/2014/12/01/dear-post-ferguson-lawyers-shut-up/ (http://www.gunnuts.net/2014/12/01/dear-post-ferguson-lawyers-shut-up/)
One well-put part:
"It’s absurd to live in a society where we hear the chief executive argue that he has sufficient “prosecutorial discretion” to waive basically all immigration law and yet many of the people who insist that’s proper are trying to throw a fit because the prosecutor in Ferguson presented all the evidence from the Brown shooting to a grand jury."
Also, a really good article (cited in the above link) talking about the grand jury's examination of exculpatory evidence:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/11/no-it-was-not-improper-for-ferguson-grand-jury-to-consider-self-defense/ (http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/11/no-it-was-not-improper-for-ferguson-grand-jury-to-consider-self-defense/)
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Two days after Ferguson Dillon Taylor was shot twice by Officer Brun Cruz, described as "non-White" (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/30/black-salt-lake-officer-justified-in-shooting-of-u/?page=all) (probably Hispanic), while Taylor backing away from the policeman. Taylor was shot while raising his shirt to show he was unarmed, it is claimed.
Like Brown, Taylor was a troubled person. Like Brown his blood panel showed behavior altering chemicals. He also had disturbing posts on social media. Like Officer Wilson, Officer Cruz was cleared of any wrong doing. Unlike Wilson, Cruz did not feel the need to resign. And, unlike Ferguson, there were no protest movements demanding that Officer Cruz be prosecuted for murder and not a single business or car was burned down.
Why so little news of this in the media? Perhaps because Officer Cruz was "non-White" and Taylor was White. Is it rare? Not as rare as you would think:
http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061 (http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061)
Remember Trayvon Martin? Sure. Do you remember Christopher Cervini? Of course not. It was virtually ignored; The neighborhood watchman was Black and the kid was White:
http://youtu.be/T1NoQgCNNJE (http://youtu.be/T1NoQgCNNJE)
Terry Swoope thinks the media is trying to start a race war. Swoope is Black.
http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/crime/article/UPDATE-Incident-report-provides-details-in-729907.php (http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/crime/article/UPDATE-Incident-report-provides-details-in-729907.php)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/defense-attorney-racial-slur-preceded-deadly-road-rage-shooting/2013/06/11/7f8552a4-d29d-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html?hpid=z2 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/defense-attorney-racial-slur-preceded-deadly-road-rage-shooting/2013/06/11/7f8552a4-d29d-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html?hpid=z2)
and so on...
Of those people killed by Police, which is about 400 per year, 32% were Black and 64% were White. Based on population (14% Black, 67% White) Blacks were twice as likely to be killed.
Officer Wilson and Officer Cruz both made a decision that every policeman faces sooner or later. Do they go home to their wife and family or do they die on the street? Given the facts both were justified in their shooting. Officer Cruz's situation disappeared from the media because it did not fit the media race war script. Officer Wilson's situation was fanned into violence by the media.? Brown's father pleaded no riots or burning. Brown's stepfather, a two time felon, shouted "burn this baby down!", and off the crowd went.
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Question about grand juries. In trials, the jury is a passive audience. They can only listen to and base their verdict on evidence presented by the opposing sides. Can members of a grand jury take a more active role, that is, directly question witnesses and direct the prosecutor to investigate a facet of the case?
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Kendahl.... In a short answer, YES.
Grand Juries may ask questions - handle and examine evidence - request visits to the crime scene to develop a better knowledge of the perspectives of the aleged crime..
Here is synopsis of the Nebraska Grand Jury Process...https://supremecourt.nebraska.gov/sites/supremecourt.ne.gov/files/misc/jury-service/grand-jury.pdf
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thinks the media is trying to start a race war.
This is sort of where I am at. The media insists on showing childhood pictures of shooting victims suggesting a child was killed. The media tends to not show current pictures that demonstrate an adult and often large size individual. The media has done numberous things to insite angst. The current Adminstration got involved and sent the Attorney General to a unknown event that involved two individuals.
Is the goal to start racial unrest? Develop a certain voting public? Smoke screen immigration issues? Something is coming.
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Something is coming.
Something is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/01/us/st-louis-man-killed-hammer-attack/
And the different cast in the tone of the narrative between Micheal Brown news stories and this one is flagrantly noticeable.
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Is the goal to start racial unrest?
Racial unrest is the tool they are using to hammer out another victory in 2016. The liberal base was not engaged anymore ... BHO's policy failures were rapidly becoming too blatant to ignore even if you are a low/no information voter, and the liberals will never back off their agenda no matter how the last election went.
As Rahm Emanuel so eloquently stated
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."