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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: bkoenig on July 31, 2015, 06:31:55 PM
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Ok, breaking off from the thread about the Oklahoma Run & Gun event. It sounds like there is a lot of interest in hosting something like this in Nebraska. For those who aren't familiar, here's what we're talking about:
http://www.okrunngun.com/ (http://www.okrunngun.com/)
The OK event is a 5K or 10K adventure race, run both offroad and on a dirt road, with rifle and pistol shooting stages spread throughout the course. Everything you need must be carried with you - rifle, pistol, ammo, ear/eye protection, water, etc.
I see three big obstacles to overcome:
1. A suitable location
2. Volunteers to run the event
3. Insurance to protect the landowner and organizers
It sounds like we may have a location available, since Mudinyeri has talked to Signal 88. I would assume (not sure) that their existing insurance policy would cover the event. Another option would be my family farm. We have pasture land in Northeast Nebraska and my family would be willing to host the event if we can find people to run it and insurance to cover the event. The land is pretty rough and would make for a very challenging course with plenty of good places to shoot. The downside is that it's quite a ways away (3 hours drive northwest of Lincoln) and since it's a working cattle operation we would need to do it either in the spring before cattle are in the pasture or in the fall/winter after the corn is out and they've been moved to the stalks.
Contacting Old Breed Gun Club to assist in running the event has also been mentioned. I think they would be a great resource, wherever we hold the event.
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very interested. maybe we could shorten it to 3K since im way out of shape. this could also be an ARFCOM get HTF get-together, but i won't post anything there yet.
i remember being on BK family's farm for a short hunting trip. was very rough and a location.
possible NFOA fundraiser? any possible sponsors for a prize table?
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Sounds great. I like the idea of adding the 3K or changing the 5 to a 3. :)
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I would imagine the turnout would be immensely better if it was in the Lincoln/Omaha area. I might even give it a try some day.
Fly
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what vehicles can you use to get around on this course?
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what vehicles can you use to get around on this course?
Senior division?
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ENGC range could work if they will allow it. Plenty of firing positions. Could run to and from entrance for distance. Run from 600 meter range to pistol bays, back to 300 meter range, back to 100 yard range and so forth. Could maybe even run behind the pistol bays if it could be done safely.
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Just a thought, but events like this are fun if they are covering terrain between shots. Shooting in the same bays and just running back and forth to achieve a certain distance = Boring.
I know I could recruit 5-7 shooters for an event like this, even if there's a drive of a coupe hours involved.
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I menchened this over in the other thread.but any chance we could get a NRD?
I agree with both waltherfan and pc13. The thing with a drive I think you have to start looking motels or areas for people to camp the night before. Maybe ppl would drive up same day but getting up at 5 am for a 8 am start time would be a bit harsh with a 5k. Or it would be for me.
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I have a couple friends on the Papio NRD board, let me reach out and I can see if they have a piece of land that something could be done on. The problem here is that whenever some other use comes up for the land we would loose our course.
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I have a couple friends on the Papio NRD board, let me reach out and I can see if they have a piece of land that something could be done on. The problem here is that whenever some other use comes up for the land we would loose our course.
That would be great. I was thinking like Rock Glen down by fairbury. Lots hips draws all that stuff. I use to hunt it before I got access to more private land
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Just a thought, but events like this are fun if they are covering terrain between shots. Shooting in the same bays and just running back and forth to achieve a certain distance = Boring.
I know I could recruit 5-7 shooters for an event like this, even if there's a drive of a coupe hours involved.
I agree, you want lots of varied terrain.
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Lots of great ideas guys but I think we need a ring leader! I'm willing to assist as much as possible but I am spread pretty thin. More organization we have now the better we will later!
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Good point. I've never run something like this before but I'm willing to take the lead in organizing it, unless someone else would like to do it. I would welcome any input from experienced match directors.
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Been thinking about location, anyone here a member of Bellevue Rod and Gun Club? Think they might be interested in partnering up? There facility itself is not big enough for this but just across HWY 75 (trying to get exact location) Papio NRD has some land, which they have no funding to do anything with. This land at one point had a factory on it that polluted the soil, and there were some water wells for Bellevue that turned up contaminated and had to be shut down. There is a county road that goes under the highway to get there.
There is a couple of the Board Members that have been after me to look at developing a range there, something that sits next door to an established gun club is something I don't think would be a good idea. But being able to make use of that land in conjunction with a gun Club and their land for something like this might be good. We could even encourage them to do habitat restoration \ land clean up and work things out so we could have use of the land for several years.
Extra issues to overcome, obviously using county roads but that should not be a problem. Biggest issue is this land is under the flight path for OFFUTT AFB, but it is far enough out that as long as we reach out and coordinate should be workable, and may encourage some folks from there to compete.
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Would shooting be allowed on the NRD land?
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Would shooting be allowed on the NRD land?
Depending upon the land, they set aside land for differing uses. The price I am talking about has no set aside use at this time other than the fact that somehow the NRD needs to do clean up here. With no set aside use and my contacts on the board I can get this one worked out pretty easily, especially if I can sell it as bringing attention to what the NRD does and what people can do to help.
Also working with a couple different groups and the NRD on an actual range else where, that could become the funding start for the 501(c)3 that has been talked about in the past.
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OK here is kind of the area I was thinking of:
You can see where the Bellevue Rod and gun club is, they have a trap range as well as a rifle range that shoots into the Levee for a back stop. then things can move along the river via either roads or just access along the river, lots of wooded and covered area there for trail runs, to the area owned by Papio NRD. The NRD will be sending me a map that has the exact location and boundaries of their land. There is lots of other land there that is privately owned that we may be able to get use of as well, PCS(?) had a factory in the area that caused ground pollution and most likely would be able to get use of shooting on their land and MUD still owns the well site that they can no longer pump from that may be made available, as well as farmers and a couple of camps that could at least allow cross over ability.
Director of Papio NRD likes the idea, land is not available for immediate use they have lots of clean up going on from flooding a couple years ago, but Board would need to approve (I have close to a majority of the board as friends, approval is easy).
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I have not shot a weeping water before but could they be a consideration? Google earth looks like there much be some area around it,
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OK here is kind of the area I was thinking of:
You can see where the Bellevue Rod and gun club is, they have a trap range as well as a rifle range that shoots into the Levee for a back stop. then things can move along the river via either roads or just access along the river, lots of wooded and covered area there for trail runs, to the area owned by Papio NRD. The NRD will be sending me a map that has the exact location and boundaries of their land. There is lots of other land there that is privately owned that we may be able to get use of as well, PCS(?) had a factory in the area that caused ground pollution and most likely would be able to get use of shooting on their land and MUD still owns the well site that they can no longer pump from that may be made available, as well as farmers and a couple of camps that could at least allow cross over ability.
Director of Papio NRD likes the idea, land is not available for immediate use they have lots of clean up going on from flooding a couple years ago, but Board would need to approve (I have close to a majority of the board as friends, approval is easy).
That looks fun...if the area between the club and the NRD area is available to run across you could come up with some very interesting water obstacles....
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Wanted to bump this back up to the top. Need to continue to talk about this!
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Thanks for bumping the thread. Somehow, I missed it.
I agree. The closer to Omaha and/or Lincoln the better. However, I think that needs to be weighed against the following (which I believe will make for a successful event):
1. A partner with liability insurance
2. A location with varied terrain and shooting locations/positions (IMO, traditional shooting bays are not ideal for an event like this)
3. A location large enough to handle the competitors and necessary parking
4. A food vendor/partner
5. Sponsors will to attend, provide prizes & give-aways and set up & staff booths (Trek Tech Black is on board in this capacity)
I've reached out to the Old Breed Gun Club but haven't heard anything back. They have what I would consider a near-perfect facility ... with the exception that it is about three hours from Omaha or Lincoln.
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Thanks for bumping the thread. Somehow, I missed it.
I agree. The closer to Omaha and/or Lincoln the better. However, I think that needs to be weighed against the following (which I believe will make for a successful event):
1. A partner with liability insurance
2. A location with varied terrain and shooting locations/positions (IMO, traditional shooting bays are not ideal for an event like this)
3. A location large enough to handle the competitors and necessary parking
4. A food vendor/partner
5. Sponsors will to attend, provide prizes & give-aways and set up & staff booths (Trek Tech Black is on board in this capacity)
I've reached out to the Old Breed Gun Club but haven't heard anything back. They have what I would consider a near-perfect facility ... with the exception that it is about three hours from Omaha or Lincoln.
1. You had discussed 88 tactical? Anymore info?
2. Agreed with you opinion takes you back to #1.
3. Back to #1. You had said about limiting it to 50 competitors. Does that include event staff?
4. Depending on the location I am not sure if this is a necessary. If we feel there will be a lot of spectators then yet I would agree this is needed. If it is just shooters then I would say it is bring your own lunch.
5. If we can get sponsers to attend great! I think with some of your connections and some phone calls from event staff a really nice prize table could be had. I would say we start by looking at all the sponsors of major uspsa/3 gun nation matches and see what we can get. We could also look at doing a gun raffle at this time maybe?
I agree with Oldbreed those guys have a amazing facility but there facility is a privately owned property. I am not sure what type of insurance they have or the owner has. Maybe try and reach out to them on Facebook or PM me and I can give the name of the VP.
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Although this doesn't meet the close to Omaha request, Fort Robinson (waaay out in the panhandle) would be a great place. Beautiful scenery, buttes, canyons and more. It's a state park that has hunting so one weekend of shooting shouldn't be too big of a problem plus there is lots of housing at the fort. It would have to be planned a year out to allow for room availability (it's a popular place).
http://www.stateparks.com/fort_robinson_state_park_in_nebraska.html? (http://www.stateparks.com/fort_robinson_state_park_in_nebraska.html?)
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I think a food vendor would be a very good idea, but I don't think it's a deal killer if we don't have one. At the OK event they had a smoker set up and made pulled pork for everyone for free. It was really nice having food onsite since we were there all day. Having the event closer to Lincoln/Omaha would make it a lot easier to find a vendor.
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I think a food vendor would be a very good idea, but I don't think it's a deal killer if we don't have one. At the OK event they had a smoker set up and made pulled pork for everyone for free. It was really nice having food onsite since we were there all day. Having the event closer to Lincoln/Omaha would make it a lot easier to find a vendor.
I have a resource for good vendors that will travel to relatively remote locations - probably not for free but for the price of their food.
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Updated map showing properties near Bellevue Rod and gun Club that belong to the NRD that we can get use of, along with maps showing them.
Iske is about 34 acres, and there are multiple lots in the Elbow Bend area beyond just the base area. Several of these lots have been purchased by the NRD after the flooding a couple years ago. Rough estimate of length of run from one end to the other (Bellevue R&G Club to Northern edge of Elbow Bend) is about 10 miles.
Issues that have been brought up:
1. A partner with liability insurance: Opportunity to partner with Bellevue Rod and Gun Club, I know they have insurance (I think its NRA, most clubs do) and can get the extra coverage needed for this type of event.
2. A location with varied terrain and shooting locations/positions (IMO, traditional shooting bays are not ideal for an event like this): There is hilly terrain and wooded area's as well as access to the bays at Bellevue Rod and Gun Club. To add to the fun there may be some swampy area's available as well as scenic routes that can be taken bordering upon the river.
3. A location large enough to handle the competitors and necessary parking: Bellevue Rod and Gun Club hosts events with over 600 shooters for High School Trap, don't think that will be much of a problem.
4. A food vendor/partner: With the many vendors available in the area this should not be an issue to secure someone, but the Gun Club also sells food in the club house for most of their events so that would need to be worked out.
5. Sponsors will to attend, provide prizes & give-aways and set up & staff booths: This is the same as with anyplace, but with being close to Omaha may open up some possibilities that may not travel to outstate area's.
6. Location is close to Omaha, about 15 minutes from downtown.
Issues that need to be overcome for this location to work, lots of neighbors to get permission from. Lots of this land belongs to single individuals or companies so that should not be to difficult. There is also some interesting other land out there that could add to the terrain experience that could be explored.
Crossing highways there are two highways to be crossed Highway 75 has two places that crossings may be available with no problems, under at the river (this may not be ideal depending upon water level etc.) and taking Laplatte RD which crosses under the highway, The next is Highway 34 which Laplatte again crosses but it does not go under and it may require some backtracking to be a viable crossing, other crossing routes may be there as well.
Crossing Papillion Creek (if going all the way to Elbow Bend), there is a road (Harlan Lewis RD) that crosses and would put you on the Keystone Trail that runs right up to Elbow Bend.
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As a note, I have not spoken with anyone other than some friends on the NRD board, and at the request of a board member the Director contacted me to send me maps, about this since I am not a representative of the NFOA who if we are putting this together as a fundraiser for the organization would need to make any agreements with gun clubs etc. (they could delegate that to someone but at this time we do not really have anyone that has been). That communication was limited to the general idea and finding out where the properties are exactly and got into no detail.
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Bellevue Rod & Gun certainly sounds like a top contender. I received a note from the folks at Old Breed Gun Club (OBGC) today. Most likely, I will be headed up there to cover their Walker Draw event the end of this month. My digital magazine, Trek Tech Black will also be one of the sponsors. Should make some good friends while I'm up there and hopefully have the opportunity to discuss a run and gun style event with them.
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They both sound like good possibilities, I just need to be careful since I run the PAF and once upon a time was spokesman for the NFOA to make certain that I do my best to keep a line drawn between the two organizations.
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They both sound like good possibilities, I just need to be careful since I run the PAF and once upon a time was spokesman for the NFOA to make certain that I do my best to keep a line drawn between the two organizations.
Not sure where your line needs to be Allen but I think we have enough people to help you keep that line.
Has the NFOA board blessed this yet?
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Thanks for the legwork, guys. If we can find a suitable location I'm sure we can get the rest to fall into place.
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Not sure where your line needs to be Allen but I think we have enough people to help you keep that line.
Has the NFOA board blessed this yet?
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Is this a Official NFOA event? How does it fit our Mission. Goals? Vision? My opinion, as a lobbying org, this really doesn't fit.
BUT...
as with the PRS event Wallace put on, if ya'll wanted to put on such an event under your separate header and donate the proceeds to the NFOA, that would be fine.
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... if ya'll wanted to put on such an event under your separate header and donate the proceeds to the NFOA, that would be fine.
I seriously doubt that there will be much in the way of "proceeds." The organizer of the event in Oklahoma said that he made about $200. I'm certainly fine donating the proceeds, though.
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Yeah, I see this as more of an independent event that the NFOA can use as a recruiting tool.
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Yeah, I see this as more of an independent event that the NFOA can use as a recruiting tool.
I see the NFOA as a sponsor. Most likely, the organization with the insurance will have to be the organizer of record.
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Well my opinion it should be an official NFOA event, and we be partnered with the other organization which has insurance. Why, first we would want it to be able to raise as much money for the NFOA as possible. To do so it is much easier to get sponsors who provide swag for competitors, nice prizes, and even put forth money to support and underwrite the event if the "Organizer" and beneficiary are an organization like the NFOA. You could get a company like Cabela's (this is an example, I have no inside info on if or what they may do) to donate something to put into swag bags, possibly a prize of some sort and throw some money at the event to help with costs, then you get another sponsor who furnishes targets and a couple dollars. In the end these couple dollars add up, and if you work it right you get the materials needed donated by the sponsors so costs are covered and the entry fees are also income. Yes the first year of and event like this may have very limited income, but if you do it well future shoots will draw more Sponsor support and with it more income as well as better prizes and swag bags for competitors.
Now how does it fit the Mission, Goals and Vision? Well it raises the profile of the NFOA amongst shooters, possibly bring positive press, all of which will help draw new members. And along the way we can hope to raise some money, which even though there is nothing in our Mission about raising money it is needed for the organization to operate. Sometimes you need to do things because just overall they can help the organization grow, even if it's not specifically covered in the Mission, Goals, and Vision.
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Well my opinion it should be an official NFOA event, and we be partnered with the other organization which has insurance. Why, first we would want it to be able to raise as much money for the NFOA as possible. To do so it is much easier to get sponsors who provide swag for competitors, nice prizes, and even put forth money to support and underwrite the event if the "Organizer" and beneficiary are an organization like the NFOA. You could get a company like Cabela's (this is an example, I have no inside info on if or what they may do) to donate something to put into swag bags, possibly a prize of some sort and throw some money at the event to help with costs, then you get another sponsor who furnishes targets and a couple dollars. In the end these couple dollars add up, and if you work it right you get the materials needed donated by the sponsors so costs are covered and the entry fees are also income. Yes the first year of and event like this may have very limited income, but if you do it well future shoots will draw more Sponsor support and with it more income as well as better prizes and swag bags for competitors.
Now how does it fit the Mission, Goals and Vision? Well it raises the profile of the NFOA amongst shooters, possibly bring positive press, all of which will help draw new members. And along the way we can hope to raise some money, which even though there is nothing in our Mission about raising money it is needed for the organization to operate. Sometimes you need to do things because just overall they can help the organization grow, even if it's not specifically covered in the Mission, Goals, and Vision.
I'm glad you posted this and I agree. I think there is more than $200 dollars to be made for the organization but it is going to take work to get the sponsors. I think one not sure how the guy is running the Oklahoma event but it sounds like he doesn't have much for sponsorships or they reinvest a lot of money into the event
Mud who puts this event on in Oklahoma? Gun club, organization, individual?
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Mud who puts this event on in Oklahoma? Gun club, organization, individual?
The Oklahoma Run and Gun is put on by a group of individuals.
Not surprisingly, I disagree with Andy. Sponsors don't care if an event is put on by a charitable organization, a group of individuals or a for-profit corporation. They care about two things:
1. How many people will attend
2. How professional will the event be
Sponsors are looking for as much exposure as possible and they want the event to reflect positively on them.
As with most first-year events, sponsors will be hard to come by. There's no track record for the event. The good news is that we have several businesses that are NFOA sponsors who might also be willing to sponsor an event like this. The further good news is that I have a fair amount of experience getting sponsors for events ... and have sponsored a fair number of events. The further good news is that my digital magazine, Trek Tech Black, usually has some cool SWAG laying around from the vendors whose products we have reviewed and I am willing to donate some of these items for the prize table.
With all that said, I seriously doubt that an event like this will produce much in the way of cash flow/proceeds to be donated to the NFOA. The expenses - particularly in the first year - are significant and - again especially in the first year - the number of competitors should be limited to make the event more manageable.
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As an exercise, here's a fairly exhaustive list of expenses for an event like this (some of these might not apply to this particular race):
1. Land rental
2. Insurance
3. Targets
4. Obstacles
5. Sign-up Processing Fees
6. Competitor ID Cards
7. Course Marking Materials (Cones, Barricades, Signs, Marking Tape, Cups, Tables, Chairs, Trash Cans ...)
8. T-shirts for Competitors
9. T-shirts for Volunteers
10. Safety Vests, etc. for Volunteers (Volunteers could be required to provide their own eye and ear protection)
11. Food
12. Water, Cups, Coolers
13. Ambulance
14. EZ Up Tents for Staff & Volunteers
15. Timing Equipment & Software
16. Permits (depending on location)
17. Generator
18. PA System
19. Fuel
20. Promotion/Advertising
21. Porta-johns
22. On-site Registration (Laptop, WiFi ...)
23. Leader Board (White Board, Chalk Board, TV ...)
Based on 50 competitors, at $75.00 per competitor, revenue would be in the $3750 ballpark.
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As an exercise, here's a fairly exhaustive list of expenses for an event like this (some of these might not apply to this particular race):
1. Land rental
2. Insurance
3. Targets
4. Obstacles
5. Sign-up Processing Fees
6. Competitor ID Cards
7. Course Marking Materials (Cones, Barricades, Signs, Marking Tape, Cups, Tables, Chairs, Trash Cans ...)
8. T-shirts for Competitors
9. T-shirts for Volunteers
10. Safety Vests, etc. for Volunteers (Volunteers could be required to provide their own eye and ear protection)
11. Food
12. Water, Cups, Coolers
13. Ambulance
14. EZ Up Tents for Staff & Volunteers
15. Timing Equipment & Software
16. Permits (depending on location)
17. Generator
18. PA System
19. Fuel
20. Promotion/Advertising
21. Porta-johns
22. On-site Registration (Laptop, WiFi ...)
23. Leader Board (White Board, Chalk Board, TV ...)
Based on 50 competitors, at $75.00 per competitor, revenue would be in the $3750 ballpark.
^ Oh my! So.... we can't just run around in the woods like a bunch of hillbillies shootin' stuff?
(I'm saddened, now, Until this I thought I might have a chance, but looks like Mud plans on getting all fancy and stuff. ;) )
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I think this is a really cool project. To have something like this in Nebraska would be great.
As far as the NFOA getting involved, I don't see much value in it.
Some basic observations:
-The event will be rather remote. Participants will be about the only folks that will be there. It's not like a 5K run through town where many non-participants will see the event and vendor booths, sponsorship banners, etc.
-The folks that will participate in an event like this will likely already be NFOA members or be aware of the NFOA.
-There are risks involved in something like this that I don't want to take on.
-The benefits seem small, both financial and publicity.
-There is a lot of work involved to put this together. It appears that several hard working individuals are already brainstorming this and I trust the right folks are already involved to make this a success. Specifically, there are folks involved in this that have experience participating in this type of event.
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^ Oh my! So.... we can't just run around in the woods like a bunch of hillbillies shootin' stuff?
We could .... Or, we could put on a professional event that would draw great sponsors and competitors alike.
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We could .... Or, we could put on a professional event that would draw great sponsors and competitors alike.
Here is a point we agree upon, and I don't think our disagreements are not as far apart as it sometimes seems.
Your list of expenses for an event similar to what we are talking about, I think you have a good list and there might even be a couple that have been left off. I also hope that a lot of those expenses we will be able to control with good planning and partnerships.
Not surprisingly, I disagree with Andy. Sponsors don't care if an event is put on by a charitable organization, a group of individuals or a for-profit corporation. They care about two things:
1. How many people will attend
2. How professional will the event be
Sponsors are looking for as much exposure as possible and they want the event to reflect positively on them.
We can agree that these are two very important concerns for sponsors, but having an organization such as the NFOA directly involved would expand the exposure because not only would/could the sponsorship have exposure to those competing but it can also be shared with the NFOA membership through the web site, social media and emails. Also there is a desire from some larger corporate concerns to support the NFOA, but they need something to support (a reason to donate) and putting something like this on could open the door to getting support there (in the past both Hornaday and Cabela's have been contacted about supporting the NFOA and they have asked us to give them something specific to support, this could be it).
As with most first-year events, sponsors will be hard to come by. There's no track record for the event. The good news is that we have several businesses that are NFOA sponsors who might also be willing to sponsor an event like this. The further good news is that I have a fair amount of experience getting sponsors for events ... and have sponsored a fair number of events. The further good news is that my digital magazine, Trek Tech Black, usually has some cool SWAG laying around from the vendors whose products we have reviewed and I am willing to donate some of these items for the prize table.
I agree with what you have said here, yes the first year even those who could give large amounts of support would most likely limit their input and if the event is successful it would lead to increases in support later.
With all that said, I seriously doubt that an event like this will produce much in the way of cash flow/proceeds to be donated to the NFOA. The expenses - particularly in the first year - are significant and - again especially in the first year - the number of competitors should be limited to make the event more manageable.
Here is where we have some disagreements, but not as much as I feel you are placing on it. I agree we will need to limit the number of competitors, and if the resources are there the limit could be raised. Your starting point mentioned of 50 competitors is probably as good of a starting point as any for initial planning and budgeting at some point a number needs to be set to plan everything else around.
Our point of disagreement is more in what the goal is, it appears yours is simply to have a fun, safe well organized event, and I agree with that. But I would add a fundraising goal to the event, there have been lots of fundraising shoots that have produced large amounts of income for charities. politicians and others not only held here in Nebraska but nationwide, These events would not continue to happen if there was not money to be brought in by them, some of these events happen annually from the same people so there must be some income there.
Could the event be started in the way Mudinyeri describes it and it be expanded and picked up by the NFOA in later years if successful, yes it could. But even if starting small and without being "Officially Sponsored" by the NFOA it should have a fundraising goal, and not disparaging your abilities to get sponsorships but hoping to build upon them, and if we need to include outside help to achieve those goals it is available from people that make their living by tracking down corporate sponsorships and fundraising. There is a cost to that but there are fundraisers who are "Friends of the NFOA" who may provide some advice or even do the work for a reduced rate. It seems we always set our goals to just have fun and if something comes from it great, but I think we need to, at some point, shoot for something a little higher.
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Rereading my post I notice I did not make a large enough point about something that we are in agreement upon.
The NFOA has some great supporters who no matter what would step forward to support any event that we tried to start. Your continued support is much appreciated even as we look at others in our community to also provide support.
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Andy, I didn't say we were a long ways apart - just that we were in disagreement. Moreover, two sitting board members have indicated that they don't see an alignment between an event like this and the Vision, Mission and Goals of the NFOA.
As always, the NFOA has to be narrowly focused utilizing its limited resourced to support those activities most closely aligned with its Vision, Mission and Goals.
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I would suggest we move forward with planning this event independent of the NFOA, and if the board chooses to sponsor or otherwise be affiliated they are welcome to do so. At the very least I think having a table to recruit members would be a good idea. There won't be a huge number of people attending, but I think the kind of people who sign up for something like this are more likely to be actively involved in gun rights issues, compared to your average gun show attendee.