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General Categories => Laws and Legislation => Topic started by: Chuck Matson on June 03, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
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Hi, firstly I would like to thank Dan W. for all his help and insight. I would also like to thank Andy for all he has done, and all he continues to do.
Back in 2010, I decided to send a contribution to the second amendment march that was to happen that April. After doing so , I was asked by the folks involved with arranging the D.C. March if I would be a coordinator here in NE. I respectfully declined for several reasons, one I felt that such a position should come from the larger population area of my state. More people= more turnout. That being said, I finally told those folks I would do all I could to assist with donations, and I might even have a march of my own.
I went to city hall here in NP to check on ordinances and laws prior to deciding if I would have a open carry picnic across the street from where I live at Saint Mary`s park. Wanting to be within the law, I went to city hall. I was told by the Mayor and city administrator, they were not aware of any ords. or laws preventing my carry picnic, but just to make sure, they called in the city atty. The city atty assured me no ord. or law prevented me from doing so. Unfortunately or maybe by luck, I was not able to arrange the get together because of weather and the window of opportunity because of my job.
Fast forward to about a month and a half ago. While visiting the NFOA site. I went to the unfriendly business section. Much to my surprise, there was North Platte city parks etc. as you can see on that forum, that was the beginning of a little struggle. I will not mention a name at this time, because the ball is rolling as I write this. A agreement was reached between myself , and this person that the city ordinance had no validity. And, that open carry, and concealed carry was legal because of amended laws that had recently been fought for by many on this sight and elsewhere.
I will say after said agreement, signs were placed in two of our parks entrances, 69-2441, and they were zip-tied paper signs. I was at work when I was made aware of this, and needless to say, my blood immediately went to boil! Come Monday morning, I will have some info coming to me from inside. I will leave it at that for now.
Several people from my local gun club have offered their assistance in this soon to be all out challenge, and I`m glad for that. Flying solo sucks! I will keep posting here as things progress. Thanks to all of you for your dedication to the NFOA!
P.S my spell check is not working, and my spelling sucks also! ;D
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ChuckM, please keep us informed on how this 'fight' goes.
I take it after you spoke to them, they posted the parks as Free Crime Zones?
I have learned thru work, that sometime it's best not to bring things up for clarification, as you may not like the results. Not that you did anything wrong, but it sounds like bringing the issue to their attention resulted in them posting to appease someone that got scared.
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Allright!! I like fighting!! Ya need money to make those responsible suffer? I can come up with $50. PM me with where to send it. RJ
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Chuck you are talking about something we are working on a statewide level. Basically the question is:
Can a City enact through administrative policy things that they can not enact through Legislation?
I have a formally written question I have been trying to get a Senator to ask of the AG's office, so far without any luck. That would need to be the first step, after that would be lawsuit or a request for clarifying legislation. I have had a couple of Senators that have wanted us to jump directly to the lawsuit, but I hate spending money on Lawyers if it can be avoided.
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I live in North Platte. I first noticed the signs in cody park on thursday. When the family went for ice cream at the concession stand. I took a picture on my phone and sent to several people I know who have chps. most replied whats that about and screw the park then. a few thought it was because of the softball fields and tennis courts and falling under sporting events. cody park is located in the north part of town. next to the north platte river. It has camping spots, pool, Frisbee golf, union pacific locomotive displays, softball fields, tennis courts, concession stands, covered picnic areas.
it is weird that its laminated paper or in plastic sleeve and zip tied to several posts around the park.
I have been meaning to post this but I don't get a lot of computer time. I search internet on my smart phone a lot. After seeing this thread i got on computer.
I have tried twice to post the picture but it keeps saying file is too large. Is there another way to post it? I can post to facebook easy enough.
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Zip tied? In a plastic sleeve? Sounds like vandals to me!
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One more thing. A friend that I sent the picture too. Text me saturday night. He said in the shooting range newsletter. The north platte police are not going to enforce the ban. But I don't want to be a guinea pig on this.
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I have tried twice to post the picture but it keeps saying file is too large. Is there another way to post it? I can post to facebook easy enough.
If you can upload them to an online photo storage website such as photobucket.com, you can just post a link to the picture in your post.
Fly
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I am sorry but this free site just can not afford to buy the bandwidth to host huge pictures
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I am sorry but this free site just can not afford to buy the bandwidth to host huge pictures
Does linking to pictures on Photobucket or the like cost us bandwidth?
Fly
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Does linking to pictures on Photobucket or the like doesn't cost us bandwidth?
Fly
NO
but it does require limiting the attachments size
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(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/crackedjunior/2012-05-31_16-00-13_149.jpg)
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That's pretty classy right there.
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They are complying with the the law as tacky as it looks.....
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Bullit,
It's not entirely clear that they are. Neb. Rev. Stat. 69-2441(1)(a) says "entities" can post the property in their control. That probably included cities and towns originally, but Neb. Rev. Stat. 18-1703 was modified to prohibit the regulation of possession by a CHP holder.
"Cities and villages shall not have the power to regulate the ownership, possession, or transportation of a concealed handgun, as such ownership, possession, or transportation is authorized under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act, except as expressly provided by state law...."
The question is whether or not 69-2441(1)(a) expressly gives cities and villages the authority to post public property. I don't think it does.
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I thought of something. I know its crazy with me thinking. Are other cities going to see north platte posting and follow with posting their own parks?
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I thought of something. I know its crazy with me thinking. Are other cities going to see north platte posting and follow with posting their own parks?
Many already do---including places like Plattsmouth (town a little south of Omaha). The question is, is it legal?
After all, the state preemption wording specifically says that cities and such cannot regulate the carry, possession, or purchase of firearms by CHP holders. Cities have said "but we can post places that we own!" and yet....that has been struck down elsewhere.
http://nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2012/washington-supreme-court-puts-an-end-to-gun-ban-in-seattle-parks.aspx (http://nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2012/washington-supreme-court-puts-an-end-to-gun-ban-in-seattle-parks.aspx)
When taken to court: "In response, the city claimed the ban wasn’t a "law" or a criminal regulation, and that it was acting in its "proprietary capacity" as a property owner." ---and they LOST.
I'm thinking that "public lands" aren't exactly owned by the city, though they are administered by the city. And it'll probably take a lawsuit with some poor guinea pig to get posted city parks done away with. :(
Other discussions: http://www.examiner.com/article/ohio-supreme-court-case-strengthens-arkansas-preemption-law (http://www.examiner.com/article/ohio-supreme-court-case-strengthens-arkansas-preemption-law)
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I read the Washington opinion and, while that's the result we want, the statutes are worded quite differently. I think there is a good chance that posting as a property owner is not something a city or village can do as applied to CHP holders. They can, however, still ban open carry.
What we need is a blanket preemption clause rather than just preemption for CHP holders.
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Husker_Fan... you raise an interesting perspective. Some examples I am familiar with...a few volunteer fire departements that post no carry. Ceresco village hall posts no carry... interesting, interesting.....
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One more thing. A friend that I sent the picture too. Text me saturday night. He said in the shooting range newsletter. The north platte police are not going to enforce the ban. But I don't want to be a guinea pig on this.
If you read the news letter from the prsc club, it stated the deputy cheif was awaiting a memo about 93.05. They are posting a state statute now.
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Sorry for the delay in posting. Have been getting the run around lately! Have a appointment with the Mayor this morning. Looking more likely this is the work of one person in a lofty office. Will post when more info is known. Thanks
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Thanks for being persistent.
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Husker_Fan... you raise an interesting perspective. Some examples I am familiar with...a few volunteer fire departements that post no carry. Ceresco village hall posts no carry... interesting, interesting.....
Under the statute, I think they can ban carry in areas that are otherwise off limits to CHP holders. That may include the Village Hall (if it has a courtroom or there is a government board meeting going on).
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Well Chuck, whats happening with this? Last I looked the signs are still up. What did the Mayor have to say?
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Well Chuck, whats happening with this? Last I looked the signs are still up. What did the Mayor have to say?
In a nut shell, I got tossed under the bus! But thats okay, I have contacted city council members who are not happy with being left out of this process. I will also be speaking at the end of the city council meeting on the 19th. The meeting is at 5:30 instead of 7:30 normal time. Attn. all North Platte folks. If you live inside the city limits of North Platte, please attend meeting. I have been told many plan to show. I also had a nice talk with the individual who is running against Mayor Kaschke. Dewight Livingston. His Wife is a concealed permit holder. As things progress, will let you know. Thanks
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I never know who to vote for mayor. They pretty much say the same lies with lowering taxes. But if livingston wife has permit. I might just vote for him. I was driving around waiting for appt. The signs are still up. A few have rain damage. Ink is smeared.
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I never know who to vote for mayor. They pretty much say the same lies with lowering taxes. But if livingston wife has permit. I might just vote for him. I was driving around waiting for appt. The signs are still up. A few have rain damage. Ink is smeared.
Got guys generating lists of names who are not happy with this. If you live in np, be at city council meeting at 5:30 on the 19th.
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Try and get SEN Hanson on board.
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Try and get SEN Hanson on board.
Already talked to his office. I even called the NRA-ILA and asked them to see if Toby Keith would say something about it at his concert on the 22nd. He being a concealed carry supporter! A quick little jab would go a long way! Trying to cover every angle I can. Thanks bullit.
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I went to the rodeo tonight. I was surprised not to see any signs up. I think rodeo would fall under sporting event. I wasnt packing since i was planning on drinking but at 5 bucks a beer. I had one. .
I will try to make the meeting. And tell others.
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I went to the rodeo tonight. I was surprised not to see any signs up. I think rodeo would fall under sporting event. I wasnt packing since i was planning on drinking but at 5 bucks a beer. I had one. .
I will try to make the meeting. And tell others.
Also, contact your city council person. Ask them to support removal of signs. We need one more to side with us. Please have others contact theirs also. Ask those you enlist to be calm but firm when speaking about your concealed carry rights. It helps to have some talking points already written down prior to the call. Thanks
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Live outside of town by the lake, but will still try to make the meeting.
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Theres a text message going around with the ward council members information. I think i can make it if i remember to wake up. Midnight worker here. Just have to remember to tell everyone no carrying at the meeting.
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Theres a text message going around with the ward council members information. I think i can make it if i remember to wake up. Midnight worker here. Just have to remember to tell everyone no carrying at the meeting.
I`m glad that text made it around. Trying to get everyone to call their city councilman. My phone number is 308-650-0745. Hope you and others can make the meeting. Send me a text if you have any questions. Chuck
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Live outside of town by the lake, but will still try to make the meeting.
Hope to see you there.
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I live in Lincoln so I won't be there to support you guys, but I just wanted to say it sounds like you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
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I've thought about going. I'd have to leave Omaha around 1pm and get back real late. If a couple others wanted to go and share gas expenses,I have a Taurus with ice cold A/C. If I was the only one from eastern Ne. interested,I may bail out. Perhaps, if the North Platte government sees they are drawing statewide attention,they may be a little less cavalier. RJ
If anyone else wanted to go,but would prefer driving,I'd help with the fuel.
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Chuck, got your number in my phone. Are there any plans or ideas we need ahead of time? So we don't show up lost infront of the council.
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I've thought about going. I'd have to leave Omaha around 1pm and get back real late. If a couple others wanted to go and share gas expenses,I have a Taurus with ice cold A/C. If I was the only one from eastern Ne. interested,I may bail out. Perhaps, if the North Platte government sees they are drawing statewide attention,they may be a little less cavalier. RJ
If anyone else wanted to go,but would prefer driving,I'd help with the fuel.
Thanks for the support from out your way. Of course you are welcome to show, but I would hold off and save the gas! Our overzealous city attorney got a call from the NRA friday! Yes, I gave them a ring. Anyway, he is telling all the city council people who are being bombarded at home that a city parks employee posted the signs! Some serious posturing going on right now! I suspect this will remedy itself soon! If not I will welcome all the help I can get! Thanks!
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Chuck, got your number in my phone. Are there any plans or ideas we need ahead of time? So we don't show up lost infront of the council.
If you would like to speak also, I welcome it. We will probably only have a couple minutes each. I`m hoping this may resolve itself as you can see from my reply to omaharj. I still need all of the local people I can get to show up with disgusted looks on their faces!!!! If this does go the way of the trash bin , I want them to think twice before ever trying something like this again! Thanks
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Chuck, got your number in my phone. Are there any plans or ideas we need ahead of time? So we don't show up lost infront of the council.
Also, I have that look of the lost all the time! I call it my 10 yard stare in a 5 yard room look! I have mon-tues off. I`m available for a get together on either of those days. Give me a call. Thanks
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I live in Lincoln so I won't be there to support you guys, but I just wanted to say it sounds like you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the support! Chuck
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I have printed off lb430, state statute 69-2441 as stated on the signs, north platte ord. 93.05 and the nebraska constitution statement of rights.
That way we have it in writing, instead of here say.
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I have printed off lb430, state statute 69-2441 as stated on the signs, north platte ord. 93.05 and the nebraska constitution statement of rights.
That way we have it in writing, instead of here say.
You wanna be the go to guy if the telegraph wants to talk to someone? We are organizing a group of 4 or 6 to start vetting future candidates for city offices also. Lots of things on the horizon so this kinda stuff doesn't happen so readily! Tell me if you want to get in on some of this. Will make sure you are involved all you want! Let me know
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Never done that before. Problem is im afraid what i say will get printed wrong.
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I got a email from my council member. Copy and paste his words.
"Unless the council agenda has been ammended since Friday agternoon, there will no vote on this issue Tuesday night. If the issue is not on the agenda, we cannot discuss or vote on it. LB 430 has nothing to do with your issue."
So hopefully it got amended or something.
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No more posting on this subject from me till this is over. If anyone wishes to contact me, my text messaging via my phone number I have already put on this site is available. Or you can contact me at chuckmatson@msn.com . Don't mean to be rude. This has to be done. Thanks to all who are supporting this endeavor, Chuck
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Reference state statute 18-1703 cities cannot regulate, etc, etc, etc. Pretty clear.....
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Council meeting went well. Will let you know. Thanks
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www.northplattebulletin.com (http://www.northplattebulletin.com) By the way, mentioned the NFOA during both interviews. Guess I was ignored on that.
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Did they really need to list these guy's addresses? that seems dangerous to me.
Otherwise, ya done a good job bringing this to light through all the proper channels.
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I was thinking the same thing, full name and address. Where is the common sense?
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The bulletin has no common sense. My neighbor wishes it would close.
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Awesome grassroots activism guys!
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The bulletin has no common sense. My neighbor wishes it would close.
Actually they have treated us pretty fair.
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That is true. The bulletin is good. Some of the comments are hilarious.
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When I started reading this I was thinking the same thing as some others concerning State Statute 18-1703, which states:
“Cities and villages shall not have the power to regulate the ownership, possession, or transportation of a concealed handgun, as such ownership, possession, or transportation is authorized under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act, except as expressly provided by state law, and shall not have the power to require registration of a concealed handgun owned, possessed, or transported by a permitholder under the act. Any existing city or village ordinance, permit, or regulation regulating the ownership, possession, or transportation of a concealed handgun, as such ownership, possession, or transportation is authorized under the act, except as expressly provided under state law, and any existing city or village ordinance, permit, or regulation requiring the registration of a concealed handgun owned, possessed, or transported by a permitholder under the act, is declared to be null and void as against any permitholder possessing a valid permit under the act.”
Pretty clear to me that a city or chartered village can’t tell us we can’t carry on city / citizen owned property without following proper protocol. Sounds like a good place to lay the foundation for state-wide removal of these signs on citizen owned property, which includes any city or village property.
Ron
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When I started reading this I was thinking the same thing as some others concerning State Statute 18-1703, which states:
“Cities and villages shall not have the power to regulate the ownership, possession, or transportation of a concealed handgun, as such ownership, possession, or transportation is authorized under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act, except as expressly provided by state law, and shall not have the power to require registration of a concealed handgun owned, possessed, or transported by a permitholder under the act. Any existing city or village ordinance, permit, or regulation regulating the ownership, possession, or transportation of a concealed handgun, as such ownership, possession, or transportation is authorized under the act, except as expressly provided under state law, and any existing city or village ordinance, permit, or regulation requiring the registration of a concealed handgun owned, possessed, or transported by a permitholder under the act, is declared to be null and void as against any permitholder possessing a valid permit under the act.”
Pretty clear to me that a city or chartered village can’t tell us we can’t carry on city / citizen owned property without following proper protocol. Sounds like a good place to lay the foundation for state-wide removal of these signs on citizen owned property, which includes any city or village property.
Ron
Got them on record for not including the city council now because of knop interview. Get a chance, take a look. Its online at knoptv2 web site. Thanks for the support.
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Trying to get some Gals to come forward that have a permit. Think my ugly mug has scared enough Children and small pets.
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I think the question here boils down to this.
Are city streets and sidewalks fundamentally different from a park, in that a political subdivision could ban valid CHP holders from carrying in one place, while at the same time being prevented from doing so in the other.
I think that these examples are fundamentally the same, and therefore a city can not ban legal concealed carry in a park any more than they can ban CCW with a valid permit on the sidewalks or streets or any other public areas that are not included in the list of banned places that the state law mandates.
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I think the question here boils down to this.
Are city streets and sidewalks fundamentally different from a park, in that a political subdivision could ban valid CHP holders from carrying in one place, while at the same time being prevented from doing so in the other.
I think that these examples are fundamentally the same, and therefore a city can not ban legal concealed carry in a park any more than they can ban CCW with a valid permit on the sidewalks or streets or any other public areas that are not included in the list of banned places that the state law mandates.
If this was Facebook... I would "like" this comment.
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Plus, the statute lists a bunch of places that are owned by a political subdivision and are off limits. Places like courthouses and board/council meetings. Parks are not listed, and the statute doesn't let a political subdivision post anywhere else. That's my take at least.
I know it's the subject of questions be passed on to the AG. I hope we're making progress there.
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Good job Chuck! It appears that the gun owners have been heard in NP.
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Positive discussion about our cause on am radio program, mugs in the morning today. Possible this will come to a vote July 3rd. Will keep everyone apprised as things progress. Thanks
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Very good comment at online NP Bulletin. Try to find a editor that is as open minded as George Lauby. Absolutely blown away.
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To clarify a couple things... those who address the city council provide their address when they speak & we often report it, though it challenges the reporter, because the speakers don't write their names and addresses down. Also, taking a public stand on a controversial topic takes courage and congeniality. As I worked on this report, Chuck Matson was exceptionally congenial and forthright. Thank you Chuck.
Although it is grim to contemplate, another debate point seems to need to be stated clearly: If a shooter goes on a rampage, the only person who might be capable of stemming a slaughter is a person who is there and carrying a concealed weapon.
Thanks everyone for your civility in discussing this difficult topic.
Posted by George Lauby - 6/26/2012 6:12:12 PM
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Just want everyone to know, however this turns out. I`m grateful, for the good people who have come forward to stand beside me. Some, that I did not know before this endeavor. No man is an island! Chuck
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Very good city council meeting tonight. Actually, the after meeting was most productive. Things are starting to roll. Getting lots of support. Will post more as things begin to happen!
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Noticed on the northplattebulletin.com site a person was arrested after threatening his ex with a 5 inch bowie knife and doesn't seem to have been charged with violating our precious 93.05 ordinance. Took place in Memorial park.
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August 7th North Platte city council meeting will be first reading of amended ordinance 93.05.
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Chuck , do you have any idea what the language may be?
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Dan, was gonna copy and paste but alas, it is to big of file. Send me a email @ chuckmatson@msn.com and I will send it to you. Item agenda 7 ordinance number 3851. Thanks
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Also, can anyone tell me what the vote count was on lb454? How many for and against in final vote? Had it somewhere, cannot find now. Thanks
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Dan, was gonna copy and paste but alas, it is to big of file. Send me a email @ chuckmatson@msn.com and I will send it to you. Item agenda 7 ordinance number 3851. Thanks
admin@nebraskafirearms.org
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Also, can anyone tell me what the vote count was on lb454? How many for and against in final vote? Had it somewhere, cannot find now. Thanks
CLOTURE on LB454
Voting in the affirmative, 33:
Baker Cornett Foley Kremer Schrock
Beutler Cudaback Friend Langemeier Smith
Bourne Cunningham Heidemann Louden Stuhr
Burling Engel Hudkins McDonald Synowiecki
Byars Erdman Janssen Pahls Wehrbein
Combs Fischer Jensen Pedersen, Dw.
Connealy Flood Kopplin Redfield
Voting in the negative, 9:
Brown Johnson Price Schimek Thompson
Chambers Mines Raikes Stuthman
Present and not voting, 3:
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Howard Landis Preister
On LB454
Voting in the affirmative, 31:
Baker Cornett Friend Louden Stuhr
Bourne Cunningham Heidemann McDonald Synowiecki
Brashear Engel Hudkins Pahls Wehrbein
Burling Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw.
Byars Fischer Jensen Redfield
Combs Flood Kremer Schrock
Connealy Foley Langemeier Smith
Voting in the negative, 9:
Beutler Chambers Mines Raikes Thompson
Brown Johnson Price Schimek
Present and not voting, 5:
Cudaback Kopplin Kruse Pederson, D. Stuthman
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Howard Landis Preister
CLOTURE on LB454A
Voting in the affirmative, 36:
Baker Cornett Friend Langemeier Smith
Beutler Cudaback Heidemann Louden Stuhr
Bourne Cunningham Howard McDonald Synowiecki
Brashear Engel Hudkins Pahls Wehrbein
Burling Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw.
Byars Fischer Kopplin Pederson, D.
Combs Flood Kremer Redfield
Connealy Foley Kruse Schrock
Voting in the negative, 7:
Chambers Mines Raikes Thompson
Johnson Price Schimek
Present and not voting, 2:
Brown Preister
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Jensen Landis Stuthman
VOTING on LB454A
Voting in the affirmative, 32:
Baker Cunningham Heidemann McDonald Smith
Bourne Engel Hudkins Pahls Stuhr
Brashear Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw. Synowiecki
Burling Fischer Kremer Pederson, D. Wehrbein
Byars Flood Kruse Raikes
Combs Foley Langemeier Redfield
Cornett Friend Louden Schrock
Voting in the negative, 6:
Chambers Mines Schimek
Howard Price Thompson
Present and not voting, 7:
Beutler Connealy Johnson Preister
Brown Cudaback Kopplin
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Jensen Landis Stuthman
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I'm attaching the proposed ordinance change for Chuck, This proposal though a bit wordier than I would have been will do what they are after and I think we should all give it our support.
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CLOTURE on LB454
Voting in the affirmative, 33:
Baker Cornett Foley Kremer Schrock
Beutler Cudaback Friend Langemeier Smith
Bourne Cunningham Heidemann Louden Stuhr
Burling Engel Hudkins McDonald Synowiecki
Byars Erdman Janssen Pahls Wehrbein
Combs Fischer Jensen Pedersen, Dw.
Connealy Flood Kopplin Redfield
Voting in the negative, 9:
Brown Johnson Price Schimek Thompson
Chambers Mines Raikes Stuthman
Present and not voting, 3:
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Howard Landis Preister
On LB454
Voting in the affirmative, 31:
Baker Cornett Friend Louden Stuhr
Bourne Cunningham Heidemann McDonald Synowiecki
Brashear Engel Hudkins Pahls Wehrbein
Burling Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw.
Byars Fischer Jensen Redfield
Combs Flood Kremer Schrock
Connealy Foley Langemeier Smith
Voting in the negative, 9:
Beutler Chambers Mines Raikes Thompson
Brown Johnson Price Schimek
Present and not voting, 5:
Cudaback Kopplin Kruse Pederson, D. Stuthman
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Howard Landis Preister
CLOTURE on LB454A
Voting in the affirmative, 36:
Baker Cornett Friend Langemeier Smith
Beutler Cudaback Heidemann Louden Stuhr
Bourne Cunningham Howard McDonald Synowiecki
Brashear Engel Hudkins Pahls Wehrbein
Burling Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw.
Byars Fischer Kopplin Pederson, D.
Combs Flood Kremer Redfield
Connealy Foley Kruse Schrock
Voting in the negative, 7:
Chambers Mines Raikes Thompson
Johnson Price Schimek
Present and not voting, 2:
Brown Preister
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Jensen Landis Stuthman
VOTING on LB454A
Voting in the affirmative, 32:
Baker Cunningham Heidemann McDonald Smith
Bourne Engel Hudkins Pahls Stuhr
Brashear Erdman Janssen Pedersen, Dw. Synowiecki
Burling Fischer Kremer Pederson, D. Wehrbein
Byars Flood Kruse Raikes
Combs Foley Langemeier Redfield
Cornett Friend Louden Schrock
Voting in the negative, 6:
Chambers Mines Schimek
Howard Price Thompson
Present and not voting, 7:
Beutler Connealy Johnson Preister
Brown Cudaback Kopplin
Excused and not voting, 4:
Aguilar Jensen Landis Stuthman
Thanks Dan.
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Vote was tabled last evening for amended version of 93.05. We have strong support and it is on record for doing away with ordinance completely. Looks like we have come full circle. I was told months ago I would not have the support base on the council to push for open carry. Sure is looking like we may get "the votes we need to throw out this ordinance! Standing room only! Great turnout! Made some people at the big table a little more humble! ;) Two weeks and we go at it again.
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Good work, folks. THAT's how it's done!
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I would like to publicly commend you, Chuck, for efforts that in my opinion epitomize the grass roots activism that the NFOA was formed to support.
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Dan, I gotta tell you. I haven`t been this impressed with so many people since Desert Storm!
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NE Bull. I first saw your Susan B Anthony quote a couple months ago. Between that and Warren vs DC, I have found there are few better talking points when speaking with Ladies. I have two Grandaughters myself, one is seven and the youngest six mos. Both of my little gals will be instructed in firearms safety and self defense, along with training in Martial Arts. Just wanted to let you know, that quote you have at the bottom, has made a difference. Chuck
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I asked the Chief of Police here in Wymore, also my neighbor, about walking in the City Park, he said no, then I refered him to the quoted 18-1703 Statue.... He and another policeman here in town have refered a couple of people to me about CCW laws and procedures, so just to make sure I went today to the city attorney, and after looking up the statue agreed the park is open, except when football, baseball games or other schools events were happening...
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North Platte city council meeting tonight. Vote was 6 to 2 in our favor! Another good turnout! Two more votes to go.
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Second reading tonight. Vote was 6 to 1 for us, Pedersen was gone. One more to go. ;)
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A volunteer group of us are interviewing potential candidates for council positions! We are asking our candidates specific questions pertaining to the second amendment! We are taking a pro-active approach! We will do everything we can to prevent something like this from happening again during our lifetimes here in NP! We will have cards with our support made up for candidates to hand out. We will be contacting voters with the results! We will also be making contributions toward their successful elections! Thanks NFOA for all your support in helping to make Nebraska the Pro Second Amendment State it should be! C
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Chuck it is so good to hear from you, remember any assistance I can give you know how to get a hold of me. My goal on these local issues is to be able to support what the people locally are doing, not step in and try to take control. If that is simple giving some advise, being a sounding board or getting the NFOA as an organization (rather than members just asking for other members assistance) that is what we will do.
You have no idea how good it feels to see a group of people in a local community step up and take on one of these issues that most of our cities have. Then to be this successful, it just gives the rest of us the energy and determination to pick up the fight.
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You have no idea how good it feels to see a group of people in a local community step up and take on one of these issues that most of our cities have. Then to be this successful, it just gives the rest of us the energy and determination to pick up the fight.
AMEN!
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93.05 is toast! Vote was 5 to 2 in our favor! Council member Mcnea was not there. She voted with us last two votes. Now it will be about two weeks for this to be codified. Sitting here with a cold beer celebrating. Thanks guys!;)
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Great work guys!
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AMEN!
Andy and Dan are in the NP cool book! C
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One final comment on this thread, I just contributed 50 dollars to the NFOA-PAF. Please give what you can afford to this pro-active cause! Thank you! Chuck Matson
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Outcome of our city council voter support. We got three out of four we were supporting to protect our second amendment rights here in North Platte. This gives us a very good standing in the prevention of any foreseeable anti activity. Brook Baker and Andrew Lee are our newcomers. Both are young guys, both are pro second amendment! Incumbent Larry Campbell will retain his seat. Larry supported us from the beginning of this challenge. This has turned out very well. I want to give a honorable mention to Jeremy, who belongs to the NFOA also. Jeremy put up with a lot of BS in our North Platte Diesel Shop, handing out cards. We had two guys vying for the council, in the same ward. Because we supported one guy, the other pitched a fit! Jeremy handled this challenge very well. Good Job Shaver! I know that I can always depend on him to fight the good fight! Thanks, C
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It was a tough fight. Had to explain the laws to people so they understand why North Platte's law needed changed.
The election fight was tough. with guys at work wondering why we supported who we did. It was tougher explaining why we supported one pro gun candidate over another. Brook Baker and Josh Welden were running against each other for city council seat. Baker won by 21 votes.
Baker and Welden are both guys that Chuck and I work with. I see Baker about every day. Welden, I don't see him very much. If your wondering more about our work. There is over 900 employees on 3 shifts. Chuck and I didn't know each other until this fight.
I do find it strange that one council member is the retired lincoln county sheriff and the new mayor is the retired north platte police chief.
Shaver
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Once we get Shaver tuned and ready, we will get him on the council! ;)
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Me on the council. I don't think so. I would be assassinated. Or get in trouble for open carry at meetings.