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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: gsd on December 14, 2012, 08:15:18 AM
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I picked up another lower yesterday, and I am having trouble deciding what caliber to build it in.
So I figured I'ld ask you guys:)
BTW, it's one of the last Calico Jacks from Spikes. Little buggers are getting kind of scarce..
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what calibers do you have now? is there any specific thing you want this next gun to do? ie - hunting, accurate, long range, etc...
for me i used 1 lower and SBR'd it. then put a 5.56 upper, 300BLK upper and 22LR upper for it. kind of like 3 SBR's for the price of one.
even if you don't SBR it, you can still do 5.56, 300BLK, 22LR, 9mm, maybe even a 6.5 or 50Beowulf.
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Yeah, depends on what you want to use it for. I personally think a .22 upper is one of the best ar accessories you can buy. Of course the lower doesn't have anything to do with the caliber, that's determined by the upper.
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My lil brother has a .450 upper. That'll put a lil thump on ya!
(Friendly FYI: make sure the collapsible stock does not unlatch under hard recoil. It will quite effectively put a nice crescent moon scar on yer brow/nose ! ) :'(
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I've tossed around the idea of a big bore upper some day. They look like a lot of fun. I like recoil.
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I think a 458 SOCOM would be right up your alley Brian
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I think a 458 SOCOM would be right up your alley Brian
And I 'spose you happen to know someone who might have one available for purchase? ;)
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i would add, a 22LR is fun and very cheap to shoot. the big bores might be a little more expensive, especially in ammo.
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A LOT more expensive for ammo. When you start shooting oddball calibers you really need to seriously think about reloading if you want to do much shooting, unless you are rolling in money.
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I'm kind of kicking around the idea of a 6.8, but on the other hand, and SBR would be nice...
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Get both. Buy a 16" 6.8 upper now and send your Form 1 off to the atf. When the stamp comes back you can always have the barrel cut down or get a shorty upper in another caliber.
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Get both.
well said. you can always send your barrel(s) off to ADCO or someone else and have them trimmed down.
might as well start your paperwork now. it'll be about 7 or so months.
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you guys like spending my money for me lol.
i wouldn't even know where to start, i probably need to set up a trust first.
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you guys like spending my money for me lol.
i wouldn't even know where to start, i probably need to set up a trust first.
don't worry. we're here for you (and your money). ;D
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nice rob...any suggestions on who to see about setting the trust up?
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I've been working with an attorney next to my shop. We've been talking about NFA trusts, among other things. If you want, you can call me we can discuss your options and I'll give you his name and number. He can offer these for less than you might think.
Rod
402-490-1013
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I like recoil.
You need to put a magnum 3" 12ga 15 pellet shell through a stoeger side by side :). Hell, if you're ever in the Omaha / Bellevue area, I'll gift a few shells to you :).
Concerning an upper.. I prefer bigger bores myself as well. A standard 308 would be the smallest I'm willing to go (outside of 22lr for inexpensive shooting). 338 Lupua would be second choice.
Dunno how the bigger-than-that rounds handle in the evil black rifles (which I admittedly don't like... but 308/338 in one would be moderately interesting).
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i had Rob from Exeter set mine up when i bought through him. i think it was $50. its ok to shop around too, there's nothing special to it. at least from what i've been told. oh, btw, im not a lawyer. :D
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Rod, I'll give you a call tomorrow if that is all right, just got back from a flying trip to my dads. Besides, it's late.
And I had no idea Rob could do trusts, but that wouldn't surprise me. he's full of tricks lol.
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I don't think Rob does them any more. Some attorney complained is what I heard.
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You need to put a magnum 3" 12ga 15 pellet shell through a stoeger side by side :). Hell, if you're ever in the Omaha / Bellevue area, I'll gift a few shells to you :).
I'll shoot anything once...maybe twice if I'm feeling froggy. I've shot .454 Casull and 450 Nitro Express and neither one was too bad. My 45-70 with a steel buttplate will leave a bruise if you shoot it enough, and RobertH's Super Shorty with 3" magnums was......interesting. That smarted a little, but the worst thing I ever shot was a Scandium .357 J frame. That's the only gun I ever took one shot and handed it back to the owner. I was done.
Dave, have you ever shot my .22 upper? If not hit me up some time and we'll go dump some rounds through it. I really think you should consider that, unless you want something bigger for hunting or long range shooting. It's a great way to get a lot of practice on the cheap, especially since you can set it up just like your 5.56 AR. Nothing like shooting all day long for less than $20.
I love my 300 Blackout, but to be honest it doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you're not going to use it suppressed. The 6.8 SPC really is a better hunting round. I had a 6.8 and it was a good gun, but I decided I wanted to go quiet so I sold that barrel and rebuilt it as a 300. Neither caliber has much in the way of recoil, but I always thought the 6.8 had excessive muzzle blast. It was just plain LOUD and it would part the hairs on the head of the guy at the next bay. The high cost of 6.8 brass compared to 300 Blackout was also a factor. I save all the Lake City brass I find and reserve that for forming into 300.
On paper the 6.5 Grendel looks like an even better cartridge, especially for longer range shooting. Until recently Alexander Arms decided to be buttheads and keep it a proprietary cartridge so the cost of getting set up has been higher than other calibers, and there are less offerings out there than the 6.8.
I've never really looked much into the differences between .50 Beowulf, .450 Bushmaster, and .458 Socom, but I'm under the impression that they all have pretty much the same performance, about the same as a middle of the road 45-70 load. Again, these probably won't be practical to shoot much unless you reload. Even then, I would stick with either of the .45 caliber offerings since there are a lot of great bullets available in that caliber, including (gasp) cast bullets. Yes, you can shoot cast bullets through an AR just fine, I do it all the time with my 300. It would be pretty cool to have an AR capable of taking down anything in North America.....
Another option is to build another .223/5.56, but set it up differently. How about a bull barrel, fixed stock, and higher magnification scope? You already have a lightweight carbine, so maybe a precision rifle would be a nice change.
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Brian, I still have that video of the super shorty...bang, oh wow!:)
My original intention was to build another 5.56, primarily for 2 reasons. One, a buddy is basically drooling over mine, and wants it so bad i can't even talk guns around him, and two, looks can be deceiving, it's actually kinda chunky.
I put my hands on a Charles Daly lightweight the other day, and that bugger was light. It might make my wallet lighter in the very near future.
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and RobertH's Super Shorty with 3" magnums was......interesting
I've got a mossy persuader in pistol grip only, 18-20 inch barrel, long magazine, heat shield. The 'green' shells (remington 3" magnums, 15 pellet) were kinda harsh. With a knox stock it's butter. In a Super Shorty it'd be painful no doubt heh. If ya made use of the fore-end grip, maybe it'd help a bit.
I think the stoeger caught me by surpise a bit with how light it was, but my shoulder still hurt for 3 days.
Offer still stands tho ;)
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I've never really looked much into the differences between .50 Beowulf, .450 Bushmaster, and .458 Socom, but I'm under the impression that they all have pretty much the same performance, about the same as a middle of the road 45-70 load. Again, these probably won't be practical to shoot much unless you reload. Even then, I would stick with either of the .45 caliber offerings since there are a lot of great bullets available in that caliber, including (gasp) cast bullets. Yes, you can shoot cast bullets through an AR just fine, I do it all the time with my 300. It would be pretty cool to have an AR capable of taking down anything in North America.....
Another option is to build another .223/5.56, but set it up differently. How about a bull barrel, fixed stock, and higher magnification scope? You already have a lightweight carbine, so maybe a precision rifle would be a nice change.
The 450 bushmaster uses 451 bullets
The 458 Socom uses 458 bullets
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i've shot several kinds of turkey magnums in my super shorty. its kinda sucks, but the muzzle blast is f'n sweet!
if anyone wants to shoot the SSS, i'm game.
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The 450 bushmaster uses 451 bullets
The 458 Socom uses 458 bullets
Ah, I did not know that. I would personally stick with the Socom, then.
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last I checked, the Beowulf was cheaper to load for. But it doesn't have the versitility of the socom
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A .458 Socom with a suppressor, running subsonic bullets would be pretty freakin' sweet.