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Title: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 14, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
Carbine Skillbuilder Clinic (http://www.mwts-training.com/courses/carbine-skillbuilder)

Date: August 17th
Time: 9:00am-1:00pm
Location: Near Gresham, NE
Cost: $35

Register Online (http://www.mwts-training.com/class-schedule/register-for-a-course)

    Taking a page from PRT’s book, I’ll be hosting a competition-style skillbuilder clinic for carbine shooters. We will run 5 different drills designed to isolate certain tasks or skills. We will discuss some different techniques, run a few warm-ups, and then: a competitive test! There will be a winner for each particular test who will get a small payout, as well as an overall winner who will get a large payout.

You will need:
Appropriate Carbine or Rifle (AR-15, AK, FAL, etc)
At least three magazines
Ability to carry at least two magazines on your person
Sling for Rifle
Eye and Ear protection
250 rounds for rifle
10x One dollar bills (does not go to instructor)

Also recommended: (Optional)
Baseball style cap
More magazines for rifle
Semi-Auto pistol with holster
50 rounds for pistol
Sunscreen
Water
Snacks

  This is NOT a basic-level clinic!! 

There are no pre-requisites for this clinic, but please take the following into account:
-Have your weapon zeroed prior to arrival
-Be prepared for targets as close as five yards and out to 100 yards
-Be able to handle your weapon(s) safely
-Know your limits and stay within them
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: bkoenig on June 14, 2013, 08:51:46 PM
Very interested, I will have to check my schedule.

Since this is not a basic course, what level of experience is recommended?  I've never taken a carbine course, but I've competed in multigun matches for a few years.  Would that be appropriate?
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 14, 2013, 09:43:17 PM
Since this is not a basic course, what level of experience is recommended?  I've never taken a carbine course, but I've competed in multigun matches for a few years.  Would that be appropriate?

You'll be fine. My main concern with that final bit of info is (of course) safety.

Now... I'm not saying you'll win :) But you'll definitely learn a few things and have a good time.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: DCPrecisionLLC on June 14, 2013, 11:01:26 PM
DCPrecision will be holding some more carbine courses between now and this shoot. If you want to make sure your up to speed check us out. I'm offering private courses now too so look us up.

John, how many slots do you have open for this?
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 15, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
John, how many slots do you have open for this?

Eight, but I may open it up to ten if there is enough interest.



Skillbuilder clinics may include a wide variety of topic and drills. Some are strictly focused on the fundamentals, while others are designed to "bastardize" the fundamentals by introducing the use of cover and concealment, target discrimination, physical and mental stress, decision making, moving targets, failure to stop targets, incapacitation drills, low-light environments, and much more. The methodology is the same, but the content will vary (obviously this one doesn't include low light, but the rest is up for grabs)

These clinics are a fun way to learn a few things and test yourself against other shooters. So sign up if you think you are Black Ops ™ enough (now I have to pay Thomas a dollar  :laugh: )



As far as worrying about whether or not you're ready, as long as you can meet the following, you'll be fine. You might just be slow and akward and we can all laugh at you.  ;)

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There are no pre-requisites for this clinic, but please take the following into account:
-Have your weapon zeroed prior to arrival
-Be prepared for targets as close as five yards and out to 100 yards
-Be able to handle your weapon(s) safely
-Know your limits and stay within them
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: DCPrecisionLLC on June 16, 2013, 03:33:37 PM
I think I'll come out and do some shooting with you guys. Mark me down as a tentative. If it fills up to capacity I may drop out to allow a less experienced shooter the opportunity but otherwise it sounds fun.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on June 16, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
Eight, but I may open it up to ten if there is enough interest.

I'm signing up as soon as I get back home...

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These clinics are a fun way to learn a few things and test yourself against other shooters. So sign up if you think you are Black Ops ™ enough (now I have to pay Thomas a dollar  :laugh: )

Just take it off my class fee.  :)


Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 18, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
I'm signing up as soon as I get back home...


Got your registration. Email sent.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on June 19, 2013, 01:30:04 PM
I think I'll come out and do some shooting with you guys. Mark me down as a tentative. If it fills up to capacity I may drop out to allow a less experienced shooter the opportunity but otherwise it sounds fun.

C'mon out!  I've signed up, so you can make fun of my shooting.  :)

...and it would be good to have people of all different skill levels and backgrounds just to get different perspectives.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on June 19, 2013, 02:30:53 PM
I'll bite. Count me in.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: bkoenig on June 19, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
I'm out....have to RO a match that day :(
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 19, 2013, 04:18:39 PM
I'll bite. Count me in.

Got it. Email sent.

I'm out....have to RO a match that day :(

:(

C'mon out!  I've signed up, so you can make fun of my shooting.  :)

...and it would be good to have people of all different skill levels and backgrounds just to get different perspectives.

Absolutely!

And sorry, no points for tactical beards on this one ;)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on June 19, 2013, 07:59:36 PM
And sorry, no points for tactical beards on this one ;)

Man, I was hoping for all the help I could get...

(http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/images/tboc_patches_closeup_brown.jpg)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: bkoenig on June 19, 2013, 08:26:02 PM
If I went I was planning on applying Rogaine to my face so I could have a beard as cool as Chris Costa's.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Burnsy87 on June 24, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
Signed up.

You all can laugh at me.   8)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on June 26, 2013, 12:00:07 PM
Signed up.

You all can laugh at me.   8)

Gotchya, email(s) sent.

6 Signed up right now, I'll probably set the cutoff at 8, being that this is the first one. I suggest getting your registration in now before this fills up.

Register online:
http://www.mwts-training.com/class-schedule (http://www.mwts-training.com/class-schedule)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on June 28, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
I am in!  I will be registering tonight when I get home. Thanks guys! 
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: DCPrecisionLLC on June 29, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Go ahead and count me in. I need to get some time behind the gun without my instructor hat on.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: HuskerXDM on June 30, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
Thought I had that day free but it is sis-in-law's birthday and we will be traveling... Hope to catch you next time
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on June 30, 2013, 03:05:05 PM
Thought I had that day free but it is sis-in-law's birthday and we will be traveling... Hope to catch you next time
i'd rather slam my hand it a car door than be in your shoes.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: HuskerXDM on June 30, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
i'd rather slam my hand it a car door than be in your shoes.

Me too...
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on July 06, 2013, 07:59:06 PM
I just registered per the link. Awaiting confirmation!  Thanks to those offering this opportunity. Can't wait!
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on July 06, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
I just registered per the link. Awaiting confirmation!  Thanks to those offering this opportunity. Can't wait!


Got it, you should receive an email and receipt here in a moment.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: whatsit on July 06, 2013, 10:28:27 PM
I'm in. Any chance there's an "I suck handicap?" :P
Seriously though, I'm looking forward to it. It should be a ton of fun.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on July 09, 2013, 10:10:34 AM

Got it, you should receive an email and receipt here in a moment.

Got it!  Thanks again!
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on July 10, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Course is full at this time, contact me through the website below if you would like to get on the standby list.



Other events:

Second Amendment Preservation- Precision Rifle Challenge
http://www.mwts-training.com/SAPPRC (http://www.mwts-training.com/SAPPRC)
A formal precision rifle match, visit the link above for more details.
All proceeds are donated to the NFOA. Three spots available at this time.



Planned upcoming classes and clinics:
http://www.mwts-training.com/class-schedule (http://www.mwts-training.com/class-schedule)

All dates and details are subject to change until I open up registration. I am flying out on Friday to spend another few days in California training reservists, and won't be able to solidify any of those dates until after I get back.

You can also request a private one on one or group class from the above link, or sign up for the client list to receive an email when registration opens up for a class.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Wesley D on August 12, 2013, 02:15:09 PM
And sorry, no points for tactical beards on this one ;)
Starting to lay out my tactical outfit for Saturday...  ::)  So no points for tactical beards, but what about head-to-toe multicam?  Or, while not multicam, are there extra points for tactical flip-flops?

(http://www.accessoryo.com/product/images/2850/3/543x348/mens-camo-print-flip-flops_3.jpg)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on August 12, 2013, 04:20:50 PM
Or, while not multicam, are there extra points for tactical flip-flops?

(http://www.accessoryo.com/product/images/2850/3/543x348/mens-camo-print-flip-flops_3.jpg)

That's-----that's just WRONG.

WRONG, I tell you.

But---if we have lots of running, please make sure you wear those.  (If I'm not going to be dead last, I'm going to need whatever help I can get!)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on August 12, 2013, 05:05:49 PM
Trying to decide what to wear as well. Don't have too much tactical clothing... Going to be kind of funny looking more than likely... May have to invest in some better gear like magazine pouches and better holster in the future. Shot my pistol yesterday. Wasn't impressed with my accuracy. However, it is a carbine class and the AK was on paper at 100 yds. Bring your $10.00 ya'll!  I'm looking to take your money!!  :-\
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: bkoenig on August 12, 2013, 05:25:35 PM
That's-----that's just WRONG.

WRONG, I tell you.

But---if we have lots of running, please make sure you wear those.  (If I'm not going to be dead last, I'm going to need whatever help I can get!)

I heard he has a multicam Speedo.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on August 12, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
I heard he has a multicam Speedo.

(http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/Robb007/Misc/eye_bleach.png)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Wesley D on August 12, 2013, 05:41:18 PM
I heard he has a multicam Speedo.
Oh.  That?  That's already packed to bring!  :laugh:
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on August 12, 2013, 06:49:14 PM
Trying to decide what to wear as well. Don't have too much tactical clothing... Going to be kind of funny looking more than likely... May have to invest in some better gear like magazine pouches and better holster in the future. Shot my pistol yesterday. Wasn't impressed with my accuracy. However, it is a carbine class and the AK was on paper at 100 yds. Bring your $10.00 ya'll!  I'm looking to take your money!!  :-\
Wear one of those cone hats that the vietcong wear. In fact, just come decked out as a VC. You might as well if you're packing an AK ;-)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on August 12, 2013, 06:49:49 PM
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Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Wesley D on August 12, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
Wear one of those cone hats that the vietcong wear. In fact, just come decked out as a VC. You might as well if you're packing an AK ;-)
Ooooooh... Zing! +1
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on August 12, 2013, 07:07:03 PM
It's going to be quite the seminar, judging from this... 

:)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on August 12, 2013, 08:03:15 PM
I'm just wearing an orange traffic cone on my head.

And nothing else.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on August 12, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
I'm just wearing an orange traffic cone on my head.

And nothing else.
I'm going to stick an umbrella into the molle on my camel pack, so I'll have shade all day. Yes, you're all welcome to borrow my idea.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: bkoenig on August 12, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
I was really wishing I didn't have to RO a match this weekend so I could attend this.

Now....not so much.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on August 15, 2013, 10:38:41 AM
Wear one of those cone hats that the vietcong wear. In fact, just come decked out as a VC. You might as well if you're packing an AK ;-)

Went out and shot last weekend for some practice. I'm pretty comfortable shooting from a rest at 100 yds. My pistol shooting was poor at best. Going to decide on all gear tomorrow. Not going to be pretty, but hopefully effective... Going camping after work Friday out that way. Any of you guys know where there is a campground near there that will have a vacancy? I'd settle for a city park or fairground if it had electric. I already tried the "double nickel" and they are booked!  Going to pull the camper out that way and find something hopefully. Otherwise may end up at a hotel!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on August 15, 2013, 11:46:35 AM
If anyone whimps out, I know a guy who can take your place. Just let me know ASAP.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Wesley D on August 15, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
Think I should throw a folding table in the Jeep to have a staging and mag prep work area? I'll have duct tape too, so Nick, if you want, you can attach your tactical umbrella to it in between drills for a shaded work area...
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on August 15, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
Ain't a need. There is plenty of table space and overhead cover.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: JTH on August 15, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
I'm just wearing my competition gear.  Since there are no points for tactical beards, I'm gonna be a rebel and not wear ANY camo.  So there! 

(I'm pretty sure that Sean will make up for any camo deficiency on my part, anyway.)

I'll be wearing 5.11 tac pants---that gonna make me tactical enough for this?  :)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on August 17, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Today's Training Objectives:
1. Accuracy
2. Speed
3. Target Discrimination (Realistic threat assessment)
4. Use of Cover (Shooting around cover)
5. Support Side Shooting
6. Making Ready
7. Knowing Your Limits
8. Cornering Techniques (Pieing)
9. Moving Targets

Stage Winners:
1. "Cold Start" (Make ready and know your limits)
Sean Naylor
2. "Shoulder to Shoulder" (Support side shooting and shooting around cover)
David Petta
3. "Threat?" (Pieing and target discrimination)
Mike Hall
4. "Mover" (Moving target)
David Petta

Overall:
1.) Thomas Howard
2.) David Petta
3.) Sean Naylor

1 & 2 were originally tied

Some Photos:
Force on force exercies for target discrimination and threat assessment
(https://sphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1146505_672461366116005_127191286_n.jpg)

Pieing the corner with target discrimination
(https://sphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1184938_672461919449283_1205649993_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/945811_672462299449245_1714886639_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1098501_672462402782568_1295386194_n.jpg)

A live practice run on the mover
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998933_672462472782561_1429086534_n.jpg)

Stage run on the mover
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1185571_672462689449206_1844089769_n.jpg)

More Photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.672461046116037.1073741826.115124001849747&type=1&l=4e717f4f48 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.672461046116037.1073741826.115124001849747&type=1&l=4e717f4f48)
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: whatsit on August 18, 2013, 11:15:00 AM
It was nice to meet you all. I had a great time -- it was almost as fun to watch all of the great shooters as it was to pull the trigger -- almost :)

Also, thanks for not shooting the guy in the orange shirt!
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Burnsy87 on August 18, 2013, 03:57:06 PM
Outstanding class, had a ton of fun, learned a lot.  Great group too, it was nice to meet you all.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: fishguy on August 18, 2013, 05:22:35 PM
Great time guys. A big thanks to john, the landowner, and everyone that gave me great advice. I will apply it in the future when I have practice again. I was very intimidated having been the only one with an AK. I sat it down on the table next to ten ARs and asked myself if I was in the right place. Ha!  A good time and great exercises. Thanks to everyone involved.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: Wesley D on August 19, 2013, 09:28:58 AM
Agreed.  It was nice to put faces to forum names.  Thanks John for isolating a handful of skills/objectives and assembling drills and stages to practice and then evaluate them.  The talk, practice, test format was very effective.  I definitely walked away with a list of things I need to work on.  Also, big thanks to Ross for hosting the skillbuilder and sharing his land.

Everyone should bring their carbines/rifles to the annual meeting, because John has a great skillbuilder in store for the workshop there!
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: NENick on August 19, 2013, 01:55:08 PM
Thanks Fishguy for letting me run a mag through your AK! If you come to John's next class, I'll let you get some more rounds through my AR.

Wes, I appreciate your lending me your suppressed Glock (that has a manual safety on it).  :)

John, let me know when your rifle starts going into battery with a round in the chamber  ;) My rounds have been getting real dust/dirty as I take them to the range and back multiple times. I bet that Noveske is just going to need clean, factory ammo for a good long time.
Title: Re: MWTS- Carbine Skillbuilder
Post by: wallace11bravo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:11 PM
Hasn't had any issues with any factory ammo, even some questionable "someobscurecompany" reloads. Just your loads.. and, less consistently, mine :)

Thanks to Ross for the use of the range and taking some pics, and thanks to everyone who came out. I'll be working on getting one more skillbuilder scheduled this year, and be sure to bring your boomstick to the NFOA meeting to partake in that skillbuilder. Remember, the methodology is the same, but the training objectives will change, so you'll get a chance to be introduced to different things at each one.

I do have a Combat Carbine class, which focuses on the fundamentals of fighting with a carbine, coming up on the 22nd of September. If you are looking for something in between the skillbuilders and "this is the end the bullet comes out," with a high focus on accuracy, then Combat Carbine is for you.

 You can find more info and register online from the link in my sig line.