Author Topic: Looking to start in USPSA, have some questions (Read 7138 times)

bkoenig · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2013, 02:54:18 PM »

I won't shoot Open because I don't have the money for depleted unobtanium bullets propelled by dried unicorn tears.

kozball · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2013, 03:58:29 PM »

Brian, I know that you have done a few muti-guns matches.

Did you use the CZ for the handgun portion?, and what was the start procedure?

I would think that multigun and USPSA would be very similar for start procedures.

JTH · « **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2013, 04:17:02 PM »

Quote from: kozball on August 12, 2013, 03:58:29 PM

Brian, I know that you have done a few muti-guns matches.
Did you use the CZ for the handgun portion?, and what was the start procedure?
I would think that multigun and USPSA would be very similar for start procedures.

In Multigun, everyone is either shooting pistol rules that match Open, or Limited division.

(Note: The rules matches one of those two divisions. They are called something different, but for the most part, unless you shoot Heavy Metal, the pistol section of the rules will match Open or Limited divisions---not Production.)

bkoenig · « **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2013, 04:23:22 PM »

Yep, in multigun I started it cocked with safety engaged. I think I might start going with hammer down just to stay consistent between the two disciplines.

camus · « **Reply #24 on:** August 12, 2013, 09:40:55 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on August 12, 2013, 04:23:22 PM

Yep, in multigun I started it cocked with safety engaged. I think I might start going with hammer down just to stay consistent between the two disciplines.

Was there a reason beyond the obvious first shot in SA why you changed up from the decocker version?

I really like SP-01 with the decocker, to the point if I switched guns that is what it would be.

Oh and 2 more reasons production is awesomer.

1. Makes A's really count

2. Chicks dig it.

bkoenig · « **Reply #25 on:** August 12, 2013, 10:03:35 PM »

Well, the real reason I got rid of the decocker model is because it was the SP01 Phantom, which is the polymer version. I really liked the gun and it was the most accurate pistol I've ever owned, but it wouldn't drop mags free. Apparently that's normal with the Phantoms and there's not much you can do about it. What I would REALLY like is a regular steel framed SP01 Shadow, but they're about impossible to find right now unless you're willing to pay 150% of new price for a used one.

That, and my every day carry gun is a SA/DA 75 Compact, so I like the idea of competing with the same gun I carry (although with a slightly longer grip and barrel). The Compact was originally my wife's, but she had a hard time racking the slide on it. I liked the gun so much I kept it for myself and bought her a Hi Power.

dcjulie · « **Reply #26 on:** August 12, 2013, 10:05:58 PM »

Quote from: jthhapkido on August 12, 2013, 02:13:44 PM

Well, you will also get flack if you move to Open division, because Open shooters deserve it.

HEY! Some of us can't see as well as YOU CAN!

We NEED the dot!

dcjulie · « **Reply #27 on:** August 12, 2013, 10:06:58 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on August 12, 2013, 02:54:18 PM

I won't shoot Open because I don't have the money for depleted unobtanium bullets propelled by dried unicorn tears.

I completely understand that! I just spent the last 3 hours sorting brass for those unobtainum bullets! Luckily, I have someone ELSE load them, so I don't have to harvest those unicorn tears myself.

bkoenig · « **Reply #28 on:** August 15, 2013, 10:19:32 PM »

Ok, time to post up some pistol porn.

Stripped it all down tonight, did some light work on the sear and hammer to clean them up a little, installed a lighter mainspring, extended firing pin, and lightened firing pin spring, detail cleaned it, and stuck on a new set of grips.

The trigger is pretty nice now. It "cams" the hammer just a little in single action and there's a tiny amount of creep, but it's much smoother than from the factory. Double action is WAY lighter. Next up will be some better sights, but for now hopefully it shoots as nice as it looks. It sure is purdy.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2013, 06:42:50 PM »

Hmmm...production division has a maximum size.

Quote from: USPSA Handgun Competition Rules January 2008, Page 77

...handgun with empty magazine inserted must fit wholly within a box with internal dimensions of 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8” (toler- ance +1/16”, -0”) (8.938”x6”x1.625”) (227.01mmx152.40mmx41.28mm)

Not sure if your extended magazine will make the gun too big? Though I'm not too familiar with the CZ line. The rule is odd considering the fact that you can only have 10 rounds in each magazine at the start signal for production division.

I'm sure jthhapkido will be along any second to explain. 3...2...1...

Fly

JTH · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2013, 07:31:31 PM »

Quote from: OnTheFly on August 17, 2013, 06:42:50 PM

Hmmm...production division has a maximum size.

Not sure if your extended magazine will make the gun too big? Though I'm not too familiar with the CZ line. The rule is odd considering the fact that you can only have 10 rounds in each magazine at the start signal for production division.

I'm sure jthhapkido will be along any second to explain. 3...2...1...

Did I hear my name?

They didn't want people putting weighted extended base pads on their magazines, among other things. Originally in Production you had to use magazines that matched the factory profile for the gun. Which, among other things, meant that while you could shoot a G26 in Production, you couldn't use G19 or G17 magazines in it----however, this has since changed.

Now, you can use aftermarket magazines and basepads AS LONG AS they fit in the USPSA box, which as Fly said, is 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8”.

Looking at the picture, I also think that +2 basepad is going to be too big. The standard basepad for the CZ, if I recall correctly, barely fits. Not positive---but I bet when you measure it, it is going to be too tall.

bkoenig · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2013, 09:23:41 PM »

I'm not sure, but I believe the +2 on the Mec-Gar is pretty darn close to the same as a factory SP01 mag. Even if it's too big I have plenty of standard 16/17 round mags that will easily fit.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2013, 09:27:59 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on August 17, 2013, 09:23:41 PM

I'm not sure, but I believe the +2 on the Mec-Gar is pretty darn close to the same as a factory SP01 mag. Even if it's too big I have plenty of standard 16/17 round mags that will easily fit.

Coolie! Just wanted to make sure you didn't have any surprises when you showed up for a match.

Fly

bkoenig · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2013, 08:19:25 PM »

OK, I think I'm going to hit the nightly IDPA match at Big Shots in Lincoln Tuesday night. Sounds like that's been having a good turnout so there should be plenty of people to embarrass myself in front of.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #34 on:** August 18, 2013, 08:28:04 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on August 18, 2013, 08:19:25 PM

OK, I think I'm going to hit the nightly IDPA match at Big Shots in Lincoln Tuesday night. Sounds like that's been having a good turnout so there should be plenty of people to embarrass myself in front of.

That's great! Then on Wednesday, you can come to the USPSA style match.

Fly

bkoenig · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2013, 09:54:18 PM »

Quote from: OnTheFly on August 18, 2013, 08:28:04 PM

That's great! Then on Wednesday, you can come to the USPSA style match.

Fly

Hmm...I didn't know they had a USPSA one. I'll have to hit that some time too. Twice in one week may get SWMBO a little cranky.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2013, 10:17:10 PM »

Quote from: bkoenig on August 18, 2013, 09:54:18 PM

Hmm...I didn't know they had a USPSA one. I'll have to hit that some time too. Twice in one week may get SWMBO a little cranky.

Yup...the BigShots Practical Pistol League (USPSA style) is EVERY Wednesday. We get around the same number of shooters each week as IDPA. Several people shoot both. Come on out sometime. We would be glad to see you there.

Fly

bkoenig · « **Reply #37 on:** August 26, 2013, 09:37:51 PM »

Ok, I had fun at the IDPA match last week. Took 7th in SSP, which I was pleased with considering I'm out of practice and this was my first time shooting one handed with a flashlight (it was a "night" shoot scenario).

I'll have to see if I can make the Wednesday match this week, and I'm planning on hitting the match in Louisville on Sunday. I just put a CZ Custom competition hammer (still Production legal since it's a factory part) and a Cajun gun works sear in my new baby, so I'm eager to try it out. I had it all disassembled last weekend and couldn't take it to the meeting in GI. The trigger is NICE now. Still needs a little polishing on some of the contact points like the transfer bar, but I made this face when I first tried it:

OnTheFly · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2013, 08:50:49 PM »

bkoenig,

I found a section of the current USPSA rules that is pertinent to your situation.

USPSA Rulebook, Section 25.13.2.1, titled "Unclassified shooters" states...

"Unclassified shooters with less than 18 sanctioned match participations in the prior 12 months must shoot an unmodified trigger."

From the rulebook definitions section...

"Unmodified trigger: A trigger which has not been improved through polishing, or parts replacements. This does not apply to a modified trigger with substantial foreign material which significantly diminishes the trigger performance. In situations where sufficient foreign material is not present, a metal trigger which has never been lubricated and has significant rust impeding the trigger movement, may be substituted."

Fly

bkoenig · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2013, 09:16:20 PM »

Well, that sucks. I guess I can put the factory parts back in it for now.