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Offline wcr

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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2015, 03:51:45 PM »

CNN News article dated Mar 10, 2015.
Title:  Obama administration scraps bullet ban after push back

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/politics/gun-rights-group-ad-campaign-armor-piercing-bullet-ban/
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2015, 04:03:37 PM »
Lots of stupid people with VERY expensive ammo now .... ;)
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2015, 04:36:43 PM »
wonder how long it will take for prices to drop back down....????this time.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2015, 04:51:56 PM »
Like Andy said, this isn't over.  They haven't dropped anything, they're extending the comment and review process.  They still intend to move forward with the ban.  Too many people are celebrating a victory when we haven't won yet.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #104 on: March 10, 2015, 05:48:04 PM »
Quote from: bkoenig on March 10, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Like Andy said, this isn't over.  They haven't dropped anything, they're extending the comment and review process.  They still intend to move forward with the ban.  Too many people are celebrating a victory when we haven't won yet.


This !!
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2015, 05:58:52 PM »
Quote from: FarmerRick on March 10, 2015, 05:48:04 PM
Like Andy said, this isn't over.  They haven't dropped anything, they're extending the comment and review process.  They still intend to move forward with the ban.  Too many people are celebrating a victory when we haven't won yet.
  they don't ever give up, they chip a little each time, they are willing to wait for what they want.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #106 on: March 10, 2015, 08:39:57 PM »
What he said ^^^^^
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #107 on: March 10, 2015, 08:51:42 PM »
Yesterday the Senate released a copy of the letter they are sending to the ATF. It appears that both
Sen. Sasse and Sen. Fischer signed the letter.
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/Grassley%20letter%20to%20ATF%20regarding%20M855%20Ammunition.pdf
It basically states that when LEOPA was passed it exempted ammo used for
sporting purposes and the the ATF does not have the authority to ban M855.
Don't forget to thank your Senators for doing their job.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #108 on: March 10, 2015, 09:20:44 PM »
I wonder if some guy at the ATF had a bunch of M855 he wanted to sell on armslist.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #109 on: March 10, 2015, 11:44:20 PM »
While many organizations are celebrating the putative victory in relation to the ATF’s announcement of earlier today that it would “not at this time seek to issue a final framework”, Firearms Industry Consulting Group (FICG), a division of Prince Law Offices, P.C., would caution our viewers and the Firearms Industry that ATF can likely, at any time, seek to move forward with a final framework without any further notice or comment.

More at: http://blog.princelaw.com/2015/03/10/celebrating-the-atfs-decision-regarding-ss109m855-ammunition-not-so-fast/
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #110 on: March 11, 2015, 07:46:18 AM »
One risk we have right now is people see what just happened, breathe a sigh of relief and move on.  The ATF is not done and I expect we will have a short period of time then they will make another move on our ammo again.

Vigilance is never a waste of time.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #111 on: March 12, 2015, 08:07:55 AM »


Reminder to keep watch.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #112 on: March 12, 2015, 09:58:25 AM »
1 point for freedom, 0 points for tyranny.  Congratulations to all those who did what they could to resist this aggression.  Standing together we stopped it.  And thanks especially to our senators. 

To those who might think my use of the word tyranny is a little overboard I would point out that in today's world tyranny rarely comes rushing at you with a big ugly face holding s sign saying I am a tyrant; it comes instead in a thousand smiley-faced baby steps, every one as apparently mild as this one was.  So every one should be treated as the jackboot of a tyrant, even if it does seem small.

As has already been pointed out, it is unlikely that Obama's ATF is through with its mischief.  So we must all remember the old saying that eternal watchfulness is the price of freedom. 
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #113 on: March 12, 2015, 02:43:34 PM »
ATF raises new concerns about AR-15 ammo

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives on Thursday(3/12/15) raised new concerns about surplus military ammo used in popular AR-15 rifles and pistols just days after pulling back on a proposal to ban the ammo because it could threaten police safety.

In a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, ATF Director B. Todd Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police as more people buy the AR-15-style pistols.

"Any 5.56 round" is "a challenge for officer safety," he said. Jones asked lawmakers to help in a review of a 1986 bill written to protect police from so-called "cop killer" rounds that largely exempted rifle ammo like the 5.56 because it has been used by target shooters, not criminals.


Read more at...  http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/atf-raises-new-worries-about-ar-15-ammo/article/2561422



If "any 5.56" is a challenge for officer safety, what about my .243 or my .45-70?
This is how they will attempt to disarm us all.  Tyranny is the correct term for what is happening, and anyone that doesn't see that has their head in the sand.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #114 on: March 12, 2015, 03:09:25 PM »
Did I hear the bell for the next round?
That didn't take long.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #115 on: March 12, 2015, 03:26:49 PM »
Well, at least they've admitted what they're after.  A total ammo ban.

Congress needs to defund the ATF.  Yesterday.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #116 on: March 12, 2015, 04:18:02 PM »
how's the NFOA comment coming?
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2015, 04:32:40 PM »
Quote from: RobertH on March 12, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
how's the NFOA comment coming?
Was submitted earlier this week.
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2015, 04:36:55 PM »
Firearms Industry Consulting Group Files Comment in Opposition to ATF’s Proposed Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are “Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes”

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As many of our viewers are aware, Firearms Industry Consulting Group, a division of Prince Law Offices, P.C., has been following ATF’s proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are “primarily intended for sporting purposes” within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). Today, we filed our formal Comment in opposition to ATF’s proposed framework. With exhibits, it is over 330 pages. You can download a copy at https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ficg-sporting-purposes-ammo-comment-final-w-exhibits.pdf.

Read more here:  http://blog.princelaw.com/2015/03/12/ficg-files-comment-in-opposition-to-atfs-proposed-framework-for-determining-whether-certain-projectiles-are-primarily-intended-for-sporting-purposes/
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Re: ATF to reclassify armor piercing ammo
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2015, 04:55:20 PM »
Quote from: RLMoeller on March 12, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
Was submitted earlier this week.

Thank you.  Can we read it please?
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